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    Im not sure if this has been touched on before, but after searching im assuming it hasn't been.
    I'm attempting to save weight in my eg (back seats, trims, carpet out and a few other bits and pieces) however I still want a basic sound system.

    What I have at the moment is just two 6" alpine type r speakers in the doors and a jvc headunit, but it just sounds like sh!t, the slightest amount of bass distorts and I can hardly hear music over the exhaust unless I eliminate bass and crank the head unit right up. What do you guys think would be the best setup in my situation? Without running amped speakers or a sub. I just want a bit of clarity, and please dont say to use an ipod!

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    since u dont want to amp ur speakers or a sub the best option would be to get a decent set of component speakers up front and set ur bass to the lowest setting off your headunit other then there there really isnt much u can do

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    get a pair of quality splits with neodymium for the 6" midbass driver, powered by a decent headunit with adequate power.

    I have a pair of Pioneer yellow cones in my eg, while they provide good sound with decent bass considering powered by the headunit they are very heavy at 1.2kg each. I remove them along with the headunit at competition events.

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    you need more power to run the speakers as the Type Rs isn't very efficient and needs an external amp.

    my suggestions:
    - change speaker to more efficient ones;
    - run an amp to power the existing speakers.

    with my car, i wanted to keep weight down too so i didn't want to run an external amp. i got a pair of Alpine DDLinear splits, an Apline HU and an Alpine in-line amp to boost the power to 50W x 4 RMS. i also have a Clarion sub with build in amp so i can take it out when i need to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip Lee View Post
    i got a pair of Alpine DDLinear splits, an Apline HU and an Alpine in-line amp to boost the power to 50W x 4 RMS.
    where did you source the in-line amp from? is the a measure of speaker efficiency?
    I know very little about car sound, only how to wire it up. haha.

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    definately get something better than the type r's. theres alot of better sounding splits (to my ears) at that pricepoint -and obviously above.

    youre really limiting yourself to wanting no amp or sub, but thats a compromise youre willing to accept.

    with your requirements the "best setup" would probably be an efficient 2-way splits or 3way splits that includes a 7-8-9" MID-woofer (not subwoofer) that plays down low to cover some subbass without distorting & bottoming out earliar, but then you wont be doing them any justice and let them shine clearly without an amp.. nothing comes to mind when i think of efficient splits that also sound decent..

    even less justice if your aernt willing to add some sound deadening.

    personally i reckon get an amp. most of em are only a few kilos, add some sound deadening and the head unit and itll all still be under 10 kilos, hardly noticeable. doesnt have to have 100+ per channel either, just a 40/50ish-RMS-per-channel amp is enough. itll definately help you out in the "clarity" department, but you dont wanna go that route so not much you can do really..

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    probably good to give us a rough budget too so we can work out how to best use it

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickk View Post
    where did you source the in-line amp from? is the a measure of speaker efficiency?
    I know very little about car sound, only how to wire it up. haha.
    Alpine calls it the Power Pack KTP-445. it is plug and play for most newish Alpine units but it won't work for your JVC.

    if you want to save $$, i'd suggest to add a smallish 2 channel amp for your splits. they shouldn't be too heavy and can go under the seat.
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    Hrrm... I just hate having power, ground, rca's all over the shop. I'd be willing to spend ~ $500-$600 to get a reasonable sounding system. It mustn't be that hard with today's technology? if worse comes to worse. I'll get a smaller amp than what I have at the moment and mount it to a space saving sub (like one for a ute) and keep it behind my seat. The type r's actually sounded not bad until I stole the amp from them.

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    all that wiring is just a part of a sound system unfortunately. cant exactly say something like "i want clarity, lots of output, any amount of bass, be heard clearly over the exhaust in a stripped car, all the bells & whistles, AND i want it all to magically come from just a pair of speakers & head unit". cant expect perfection from nothing. nah'mean?

    500-600 is enough to cover for a basic full system installation.. so achieving a reasonable system on that budget is not so easy, even with todays tech. u gotta pay for quality like everything else.

    given the budget, definately put your amp back in for your splits, keep your type r's if youre happy with their sound. invest in some SD.

    you say you wanna get a space saving sub, but u specifically mentioned you didnt wanna add amps/subs/weight in the 1st place, so im not quite sure what you willing to do now..

    if this is a track car where your concerned about every kilo then probably best to rip out everything & anything to do with car audio.

    just have a think & prioritize before spending anything

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    The reason i say getting a space saving sub, is because if I go to the effort of running all the wires and install an amp, a very small sub is not that much more. Having said that, I'm still against the idea.
    I just find it hard to believe that just a head unit and two speakers cannot produce reasonable sound.
    My iPod dock sounds much better and it's smaller than the keyboard I'm typing on right now.
    It's not a track car, otherwise I wouldn't have door trims or a dash to put any of it in lol.
    Last edited by nickk; 21-07-2010 at 03:37 PM.

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