Quality niggles with new Euro

[praja6]

I would like to know how you got the letter from Honda about covering the engine for any damage due to their "PCS" despite mine continueing, they won't give a guarantee in writing!

To put it simply and kindly antony, you have bought a lemon, just like myself and many other members, and the worst part about it, is that unless you sell it for a HUGE loss, your stuck with it...

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

It could be such a great car.

HT, i don't think anthony is having the ping issue like others having here. According to anthony it seems like some kind of rattle.. Mine is Jan 2010 My 10 buit base auto and i don't have ping issue at all, the car is very smooth. i think Anthony's car was built around in May 2010 My 11 and i dont think he is having ping issue and seems like kind of some new issue and fingers cross HA will give some good answer to Anthony.

[Irving]

I have long tried to work toward a resolution to this issue and in the process had to argue on this forum that this problem still exists. Now that we are at some sort of agreement that the PCS problem still exists in at least “some” cars it is surprising that HA still won’t do anything to resolve the remaining problematic cars.

First, it must be explained that there are two issues here, Pinging and PCS (Post Combustion Sound). I was told that when the CU2 was first released, most PINGED badly (especially automatics). My car 6MT didn’t do this. It had mild PCS at 2200rpm. After the botched fix, my car PINGED BADLY. Then after the EMC and Knock mapping reset, I had PCS for three tanks of BP ultimate. Now it’s mostly fine with BP ultimate.

Pinging sounds like rattling marbles and PCS is the sound that you may hear due to secondary combustion on the downstroke. It is more like a click, click when the engine rpms rise to 3400rpm. In my car it can be reproduced with Shell or Caltex fuels. However, with BP ultimate it is much more difficult to reproduce and is rarely heard. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FACT. It means that the timing of the engine requires further retardation. However, doing this may reduce power output.

It can also be argued that some PCS is actually good, as these secondary detonations on the downstroke add to the power output. I have absolutely NO COMPLAINTS about engine responsiveness and acceleration when using BP ultimate. Infact, performance of the car is exceptional for a car of this size.

My complaint is as follows: The specified fuel is 95RON. Even 98RON Shell or Caltex causes my car to PCS badly. BP ultimate almost eradicates this issue to the point that most will not notice that this an issue. What this means is that with further engine management enhancement (SW tweaking), it should be possible to completely eliminate this issue. Honda are the only people who can do this.

My point in all this is that the CU2 could be such a great car but is let down by this issue which could have been completely resolved if it had not been brushed aside.

[antony]

HT, i don't think anthony is having the ping issue like others having here. According to anthony it seems like some kind of rattle.. Mine is Jan 2010 My 10 buit base auto and i don't have ping issue at all, the car is very smooth. i think Anthony's car was built around in May 2010 My 11 and i dont think he is having ping issue and seems like kind of some new issue and fingers cross HA will give some good answer to Anthony.

My engine has no rattle at all,the rattle that is very intermittant,but so annoying,is inside the car.

Either B pillar/door panel/window/roof.

My new seat also looks average.

Maybee thats how its meant to look ??? with creases in the bolstering.