AUDM vs USDM K24 in Euro

**gen2 CRX** · 11-02-2011 08:32 PM

Maybe they say to use 95 to cover there a#% from people f$&*ing there euros by using e10 as 91 is very rare nowdays

**antony** · 11-02-2011 08:59 PM

The all for new 2011 VW Jetta looks VERY much like the current Audi A4.

I think it will once again give the Euro a run for its money,but they are both the best medium sized sedans in Australia,and I have owned them both....

**praja6** · 11-02-2011 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by antony

The all for new 2011 VW Jetta looks VERY much like the current Audi A4.

I think it will once again give the Euro a run for its money,but they are both the best medium sized sedans in Australia,and I have owned them both....

But i bet you, the EUro more look like a luxuary car than Jetta and better handling as well... am i rite anthony?

**natnat** · 11-02-2011 10:59 PM

Jetta vs CU2... it all depends on what aspects you compare them at.

One aspect I find, VW Golf (118tsi and GTI) vs CU2, driving both on the same road / twist at the same speed, CU2 feels faster yet the Golf feels slow.

Handling.. it depends on which Jetta you are comparing it to, if you compare CU2 to Jetta with sports suspension, no doubt CU2 has much more body roll on hard cornering.

Torque... the 2.4L CU2 has much less torque to weight ratio compared to VW 1.4L 118TSI.

Luxury... German cars are marketed with often 10+ options which can bump up the price of the car by 30-50%.

The CU2 is a nice car, perfect for its intended design and function, comfy and quiet ride.. to the point i often feel sleepy driving it

**Fredoops** · 12-02-2011 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by natnat

Jetta vs CU2... it all depends on what aspects you compare them at.

One aspect I find, VW Golf (118tsi and GTI) vs CU2, driving both on the same road / twist at the same speed, CU2 feels faster yet the Golf feels slow.

Handling.. it depends on which Jetta you are comparing it to, if you compare CU2 to Jetta with sports suspension, no doubt CU2 has much more body roll on hard cornering.

Torque... the 2.4L CU2 has much less torque to weight ratio compared to VW 1.4L 118TSI.

Luxury... German cars are marketed with often 10+ options which can bump up the price of the car by 30-50%.

The CU2 is a nice car, perfect for its intended design and function, comfy and quiet ride.. to the point i often feel sleepy driving it

Only thing tho, the VW DSG makes the Euro Auto feel...ancient, and the fuel consumption is not comparable... 1.4 TSI is just amazing. I'd rather compare CU2 with the Skoda Octavia (which is bascially a Jetta without the options).

STILL the base model euro is a VERY good buy. It's the Lux and Lux Navi thats getting squeezed by VWs (and not the jetta, rather the Passat/Superb, which is only $2000 more, the price difference will pay for it self in fuel savings 2 years if you do city driving)

Originally Posted by gen2 CRX

Maybe they say to use 95 to cover there a#% from people f$&*ing there euros by using e10 as 91 is very rare nowdays

Euro is 10% ethanol tolerant, TSX is probably E15 tolerant, considering the size of bioethanol industry in the mid-east of the USA

**antony** · 12-02-2011 08:41 PM

Raja,there are pros and cons to both cars....

The Euro handles so well,but I think the Jetta handled just as well.
My Jetta was the 2.0 FSI NON turbo model,so the Euro IS more powerful,but is also heavier on petrol.

The Jetta had a 6 speed automatic,the Eueo has a 5 speed...but the Euro feels far smoother.

I think overall the Euro is better looking,with a nicer interior,both were very solid,but the Euro feels better built.The Jetta was better equiped for the same money,but the Euro is/and certainly feels like a bigger car.

Eueo has bigger seats,more headroom and width in the front,but fae less legeoom in the rear.

Another point is that the Jetta has a much better boot.My Grandmother uses a walking frame,and you could fit 2 of them in the Jetta.I was shocked because I struggled to get it into the Euro.

Overall,I would say that the Jetta was VERY similar to the CL9.

The CU2 would get my vote again over the A5 VW,but the A6 platform might make VW more competitive again ???

**Fredoops** · 12-02-2011 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by antony

Raja,there are pros and cons to both cars....

The CU2 would get my vote again over the A5 VW,but the A6 platform might make VW more competitive again ???

I"m actually exchanging my CL9 for either a Skoda superb or the post facelift Passat (coming in June).

And yes, the CU2's boot is shockingly bad. Gotta say the current pre-facelift jetta isnt the best looker around.

I saw the new Kia Optima today.... All I can say is.... HOLY SH** this is a KIA?!?!?!. The build quality is up there with the euro, if not better.
Haven't driven it, and I don't expect it to be better than euro to drive, since it's a larger car (longer anyway)

**praja6** · 12-02-2011 10:01 PM

Skoda is another VW.....

How about VW passat? Its a bigger and more luxuary look car than jetta.....

**Fredoops** · 13-02-2011 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by praja6

Skoda is another VW.....

How about VW passat? Its a bigger and more luxuary look car than jetta.....

I know skoda is VW, in fact, Skoda Octavia = VW Jetta, Skoda Superb = VW Passat.

Look at price and equipment. Passat is like $43k for a base model with no leather or anything. So it is a different class

BUT. the Skoda Superb dilemma I'm facing at the moment exists the same for Passat.

CU2 Lex Navi is 47k RRP (in special at the moment. apparently)

Passat 118TSI Highline with sunroof and GPS option (so it's same as CU2) is $52k full price RRP
Skoda Superb 118TSI Elegance with Sunroof (GPS standard) is $51K full price RRP
and. Citroen C5 2.0 HDI Comfort with GPS and Sunroof is also $52k full price RRP

In another words, for less than 10% more than the Euro Lux Navi you get a FULL SIZE sedan with same luxury features, but with less fuel consumption (you are looking at 30-40% less fuel consumption in the urban cycle) and a German/French badge.

Then theres new players like the Kia Optima... I'm seriously impressed by it.

**natnat** · 13-02-2011 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Fredoops

I know skoda is VW, in fact, Skoda Octavia = VW Jetta, Skoda Superb = VW Passat.

Look at price and equipment. Passat is like $43k for a base model with no leather or anything. So it is a different class

BUT. the Skoda Superb dilemma I'm facing at the moment exists the same for Passat.

CU2 Lex Navi is 47k RRP (in special at the moment. apparently)

Passat 118TSI Highline with sunroof and GPS option (so it's same as CU2) is $52k full price RRP
Skoda Superb 118TSI Elegance with Sunroof (GPS standard) is $51K full price RRP
and. Citroen C5 2.0 HDI Comfort with GPS and Sunroof is also $52k full price RRP

In another words, for less than 10% more than the Euro Lux Navi you get a FULL SIZE sedan with same luxury features, but with less fuel consumption (you are looking at 30-40% less fuel consumption in the urban cycle) and a German/French badge.

Then theres new players like the Kia Optima... I'm seriously impressed by it.

have you thought of the major service costs on the VW? It's quite common to spend around $2k on a major one, i know someone spent $3k on a 60kms service on a 2008 GTI. you may want to calc this into the petrol savings equation

And, I had engine replacement on my 118TSI, but it was the 1.4l twin charged version on a Mk6 Golf.

Just for your info, I paid $46k for my CU2 lux navi with extended 5 yrs wty before they had any special and price cut in Nov10. So, I would not pay more than $44,500 for a new one now, esp if it's a 2010 plated one.

Buy CU2 for trouble free motoring despite of old K24A engine, light steering feel and auto transmission tech, buy Skoda for fun, solid steering feel (but minor rattles may appear) and the AWESOME DSG (although the DSG oil is expensive)

Especially if it comes with paddle shifters which can be replaced with this:

Pity, there appears to be no one making aftermarket all aluminum alloy paddles for CU2...

Btw, have you considered a used Passat R36? This car will put smiles on your face when you revv the engine with the 3.6L V6 sound.

**antony** · 13-02-2011 10:14 AM

I think the Skoda Superb is butt ugly,and a very poor seller.

I would rather have a Passat,but IMHO,the Euro is still better,as has the best buld quality,excellent reliability,great resale,and looks HOT.

The curse of all modern VWs is that they seem to be plagued by rattles and squeeks,which would drive me insane.

And avoid French cars,they are hoffific to own and maintain.

**tony1234** · 13-02-2011 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by antony

I think the Skoda Superb is butt ugly,and a very poor seller.

I would rather have a Passat,but IMHO,the Euro is still better,as has the best buld quality,excellent reliability,great resale,and looks HOT.

The curse of all modern VWs is that they seem to be plagued by rattles and squeeks,which would drive me insane.

And avoid French cars,they are hoffific to own and maintain.

+1 for avoiding french cars.I've heard some horror stories.Stay away from them!