nice thanks for chiming in with that, honda seems to reuse the same engine codes in different countries i think which make researching a pain. what started me thinking this is seeing the ones you had on sale last year in my head im picturing a fairly stock setup just something a little different you know

i also read the swap cant be done without kpro? their pretty expensive and to get that for a base manual i wont see any benifits till swap?

thanks for the replys!