1994 Civic VTi vs 1990 Corolla SX 20v

[aaronng]

Takumi's AE86 !?!
240ps on engine
Group A spec
Rev to 11000rpm......

Initial D is fiction man....

But this 11k 4AGE, there was one AE101 4 sedan in the Eastern suburbs with a 20V 11k redline.. crazy... To make power higher up in the rev range, you just need the right cams. Spinning at 11k without blowing the engine up, that takes the most work.

Back to the topic... Although I am a 20V 4A-GE fan, I'd still go for the VTi...

[Lokmok1234]

How much are you willing to spend? and if your are just looking for an everyday driver, the civic should be the go!. they can be be a very fuel economic car when driven gently, if you want it to go hard just add a vtec boost controller. The vti engine is a pretty good engine as revs are easy to get when needed. and you do get most power at 3000 rpm+.

[fusion_VTi]

eg si has zc dohc 96kw stock. bad ass imo

as per 'sluggish on streets'

i think ben means u have to rev it to a certain point to make power
ie no revs no go.

sounds like a honda

[SPEEDCORE]

Back to the topic... Although I am a 20V 4A-GE fan, I'd still go for the VTi...

Agree

[Hondavirgin]

AE82 engine is lighter you mean?

Yeah I am switching car but since i have 2 cars so i am switching both

no, the car itself.

[Captiva_Blue]

I had exactly the same dilema as you, I test drove about 5 Rolla SX and GTi (same car basically except for a few minor visual tweaks) and 6 Civic Si and VTi before finally settling on the '94 VTi and I haven't looked back.

The stock engine in a '90 SX (4A-GE 16 valve, 100kw, 5spd) is very nice and can handle almost anything you can throw at it..PROVIDED it has been well looked after, if not, it will eat itself from the inside out.

The car itself is resonably well put together but the overall finish and feel of the car, interior especially, is much better on the civic and the paint on the Rolla is prone to spider cracking if it has spent most of its life out of a garage.

The Rolla pulls well from down low and feels pretty meaty to drive as opposed to the civic which is quite peaky but the handling of the civic is far superior, it has a much lower centre of gravity and the suspension design of the civic is much more advanced than the corolla.

As an overall package, the civic is miles better especially if you consider that the Rolla is a fair bit older and you're unlikely to find one with less than 250000kms on it. If you're wanting to mod either one, the civic is a much better place to start from.

(BTW: AE92 Rolla never came to Oz with the 4A 20valve engine and 6spd box. Always gotta be careful when buying a car that's had a transplant coz you have no idea what shortcuts have been taken in getting it in there. If you get one, make sure you see all the engineering documentation and if possible, talk to the guy who did the transplant to get a feel for whether he/she is dodgy or on the level).

Happy hunting.

[greecegun]

I haven't driven a 20 valve AE92 or a 94 VTI but I did have a 91 AE92 SX 26V (stock) and now have a 96 Civic VTiR. Whilst I am not comparing apples with apples, the Civic is vastly superior in handling, braking and steering to the AE92. The new owner of the AE92 has spent $$ on the suspension, I've driven it and it still isn't very good. You have to lower and stiffen them to buggery and then they are not as usable on a variety of roads.

I reckon that even when the AE92 SX came out it wasn't very good suspension wise-even something like the Mazda Astina SP was apparently a lot better in this dept.

From what I have heard the handling of the older gen 94 Civics was also a lot better than the Corollas.

I'm sure a AE92 with a 20V or 4AGZE would go really well when flogged, but the handling of a car (which is just as important, even more so) with even more power than the 100KW stock version would be pretty scary... The build quality and finish of the Corollas is also crap compared to the Civics.

Stick with the Hondas

[Stroza]

You guys make it sound like a 20V can be tuned easily to the same specs of a Formula Atlantic....

So who wants to start actually building a Formula Atlantic 20V.... or even the old 16V Formula Atlantic?

Back about 4 years ago it was $5k just for the crank

TRD TUNED CRANK WILL COST 2.2K FROM BELLS GARAGE IN SYD...

as for the adjustable cam gears... they came with the motor once i bought it... i just changed the cams to much large duration...

the cams actually over lap during idle, giving it a sound of a rotor motor.. I have never been able to tune the motor but im sure it will be capable to rev to 11k.. dnt know about power wise??? i mean with sucha high revin motor cooling will be an use, also you dnt want the motor to seize up.. so i have also installed NEW bottom end bearings and with 20v's they work off oil squirter's, i have kept this and have gone to the extra expense of installing an oil cooler.

the 20v cranks are good and durable.. the one i have has been shoot pinned, linshed and balanced.. i dnt see how this can be an issue.

[Stroza]

Initial D is fiction man....

true but check this out... seems pretty much exact to the cartoon.







This one even has fujiwara tufo shop writen on the side.