Vti-R and Type R DC2 starter motors different??

**Super-DA9** · 02-10-2011 05:32 PM

hey guys.

just installed my type R gearbox and the starter motor from my vti-r just won't go back in for some reason.

it goes in most of the way but won't sit flush with the surface on the transmission. sits out about 1/2 a centimeter and just wont go in.

all I can think of is maybe there's a difference between either vti-r starters and type R ones, or a difference between the starters for OBD1 and OBD2.

mine's 95' and OBD1.

any input would be much appreciated.

**bennjamin** · 03-10-2011 12:14 AM

Try rotating the engine via a socket + extension + bar a touch , or try rotate the starter engage cog itself or jiggle the starter alittle as you install It
The alignment of this and the flywheel might be catching and if they dont mesh the starter wont slide in !

PS remember to not hook up ground + power just yet lol !

**Super-DA9** · 03-10-2011 10:56 AM

haha yeah the battery is disconnected.

hmm I tried turning the motor manually and it didn't seem to have effect. also tried moving the starters connecting gear. but would I be right in saying that when it's not turning over the starters gear is retracted so it shouldn't mesh anyway?

**bennjamin** · 03-10-2011 02:02 PM

Just checking :0)
Do you have some sort of ORC style clutch with a larger pressure plate ?
Did u compare the old starter side by side with the new one ?

**Super-DA9** · 03-10-2011 03:00 PM

I haven't got a new starter, just trying to put the old one back in. no gnarly ORC clutch, just an exedy stage 1.

**bennjamin** · 03-10-2011 06:38 PM

Ill say one more thing - the casing ( outer) should be exactly the same between the vtir and itr.
Something else is catching?

**Super-DA9** · 03-10-2011 07:40 PM

hmm yeah I thought so.

nah it's not catching on anything outside the gearbox. I was trying for ages tonight and couldn't get it in. it really seems like the hole in the gearbox is like 1/2 a millimeter too small or less. I even took the baseplate (with the shaft still in it) off the rest of the starter to see if the baseplate would mate and it still wouldn't go in. I can probably get a pic or video if it helps??

**bennjamin** · 03-10-2011 09:30 PM

upload it - also pm "TODA AU" as he has done this a million times before and might know the reason or come across the same situation !

**Super-DA9** · 03-10-2011 11:00 PM

yeah I did the other day but no response yet.

alright I'll take a video/pic of it tomorrow and upload. thanks

**Bludger** · 05-10-2011 07:45 AM

I hate things like this, so annoying......

makes me not work on cars for months, turns me off.

**Super-DA9** · 05-10-2011 12:21 PM

bludger, that is exactly how I feel right now haha. having RTA bush install issues too. *sigh*

**TODA AU** · 05-10-2011 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Super-DA9

yeah I did the other day but no response yet.

alright I'll take a video/pic of it tomorrow and upload. thanks

Sorry for the slow reply, I've been crook.
Anyway, I haven't really had starter fitting issues to be honest.
as Ben said, VtiR & ITR mount face / flange to box is the same. (The motor & relay are different, but the parts are interchangeable)
So yes, pics or vid would be helpful..

Also check it's not something silly like VVS loom/plug in the way