BANG FOR YOUR BUCK: Koni adjustable or Eibach ANTI-ROLL-KIT - thoughts?

[Alvis]

Just like you said mugen_ctr:

"For more neutral handling, an EX front bar (which is smaller than the Si front) can be paired with the Si rear to bring more balance to the under and oversteering effects.

Likewise, a front Si bar with a rear Integra GSR or Type R (or even Civic Type R) will be more like "neutral" handling but that much tighter."

Source: http://www.ek9.org/forum/suspension/...formation.html

[Alvis]

How oldskool is that video - that is awesome! What about the cash register at the end HAHA... what a bargain in the US under 18 grand. Geez. Lucky buggers.

You hit it spot on mate. I want that neutral feel to the car not too much under not too much over... I guess my only dilemma if I go down the path of the rsb is if I then decide I need the fsb I have to either find one in Oz or pay for shipping again!

A mate on the forum down in Tassie is looking to see if he can send his EM1 rsb up to me - so even though it's 14mm it might be worth seeing if I can get that off him and give that a go... just have to buy the hardware then...

Do you think Honda is a bit rich on the quote below for parts:

D bracket - $8.00 x 2 = $16
Bushes - $11.40 x 2 = $22.80
Lock bolts - $7.85 x 2 = $15.70
End links - $138.00 x 2 = $276
Mounting brackets - $27.10 x 2 = $54.10
4 bolts - $5.40 x 4 = $21.60
4 bolts - $2.75 x 4 = $11.00

HARDWARE TOTAL FOR RSB = $417.20

+ ASR subframe = $179 + shipping from US


Why are the end links SOOO expensive! Are there other options for end-links - ie would these fit the oem rsb?

Beaks
http://www.beaksproducts.com/EK_Civic_End_links.htm

ASR
http://passwordjdm.com/ASR-Rear-Sway...-P2261C10.aspx

[mugen_ctr]

Civic rear end links: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4-FRONT-R...item27b51d8c38

price: $65, much cheaper than paying $276, and yes ive used them

Yeah, good plan, try the Em1 swaybar and see how it goes, i found that the em1 swaybar was more than enough for a dd

[Alvis]

Thanks for the link, I'll keep it in mind. Did you ever ask the seller who makes them and where they're manufactured - wondering what the difference is...

OH, and this is an interesting development - this quote comes from a contact in the USA who works at Eibach. He's saying the ASR brace will not work with the Eibach rsb for the below reason and more interestingly that a brace is not needed anyway...???



"I want to mention that the ASR subframe brace is NOT needed with the Eibach rear bar and will NOT work properly with the factory D-Brackets you need as the mounting holes are spaced differently. The ASR brace has mounting holes to be used with the ITR D-Brackets which are obviously wider to accomodate the bigger bar.

Just get the Eibach front and rear kit plus all of the necessary OE parts you need to mount it. The ASR brace is not needed.

The bar isn't aggressive enough to cause tear out. We've had this bar in production for over a decade with no tear out issues."

[akira]

I've got koni yellows for sale very soon if your interested

[jajaja]

i vote koni yellows. a mate of mine has them and they give a very stiff and firm ride, even on oem swaybars. plus with the added feature of the adjustable dampers - almost makes them coilovers :P

[Alvis]

Thanks for all the votes fellas - I've decided Koni yellows is the best way to go at this stage. Sways can always come at a later date!

Thanks again!

[dc292177917]

Thanks mate - so pretty much what we're saying is if I add a 17mm rsb to a car that currently has no rsb, mated with the stock 22mm fsb; I'm essentially encouraging more oversteer yeh?

I'd still like the car to have more of a 'neutral' feel to it - so I figured Honda knew what they were doing when they put a 26mm on the EM1/EK4 with the 14mm rsb...

Do we know if a stock EM1/EK4 is neutral in it's handling or does it have more of an understeer feel to it?

dont think it has 26mm FSB on the EK4/EM1
btw due to wheelbase difference imo u shudnt reference yr setup to EKs
and EK4 tends to understeer...
if u r looking for some netural turning 26/22 shud be the point to start playing with

[mugen_ctr]

dont think it has 26mm FSB on the EK4/EM1
btw due to wheelbase difference imo u shudnt reference yr setup to EKs
and EK4 tends to understeer...
if u r looking for some netural turning 26/22 shud be the point to start playing with

Em1/Ek4 and Ek9 all use the same 26mm FSB and front end suspension components down to the LCA and endlinks

and also ek/em/ej use the exact same wheel base, the only difference being that the shape coupe vs hatch back, so in saying that there is a difference between the two when talking weight distribution from front and rear, but not that much imo

[Alvis]

Em1/Ek4 and Ek9 all use the same 26mm FSB and front end suspension components down to the LCA and endlinks

and also ek/em/ej use the exact same wheel base, the only difference being that the shape coupe vs hatch back, so in saying that there is a difference between the two when talking weight distribution from front and rear, but not that much imo

Yeh spot on mugen_ctr

But yep dc292177917 there are a few different factors at play - engine power probably being the biggest - and EM1 is probably the closest match, as opposed to EK4

Length 164.5 in (4,178 mm) (1996-97 hatchback)
164.2 in (4,171 mm) (1998-2000 hatchback)
175.1 in (4,448 mm) (coupe & sedan)
Width 67.1 in (1,704 mm)
Height 54.1 in (1,374 mm) (coupe)
54.7 in (1,389 mm) (sedan)

[dc292177917]

oh sorry mate i thought u hv a EK sedan...
i mixed it up with another member from here pbly lol...
but yea play around with the damper settings of koni first