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					01-12-2012 12:25 AM
				
			
			
				
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					  Originally Posted by  dc2screama
					 
				 
				Just a noob question.. 
What are the differences between Facelift and Pre face, is it just the light fly wheel, front and rear lights, front bumper? 
What about motor wise, same power or different? 
Just Researching before I purchase one, but I like the Pre face more then the facelift.. My opinion lol 
			
		 
	 
 under the hood is mostly same; there are very very subtle changes but its mostly exterior differences like you mentioned. you also get a bigger red H badge on the grill lol personally i have the pre FL but like the stock FL front end better, but pre FL with mugen lip/air walker is win. I never really liked the altezza look on the rear lights in the FL model.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					01-12-2012 07:09 AM
				
			
			
				
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					  Originally Posted by  UNA91
					 
				 
				under the hood is mostly same; there are very very subtle changes but its mostly exterior differences like you mentioned. you also get a bigger red H badge on the grill lol personally i have the pre FL but like the stock FL front end better, but pre FL with mugen lip/air walker is win. I never really liked the altezza look on the rear lights in the FL model. 
			
		 
	 
 Yeah thought it would have been. 
Do they both have a LSD? 
Air walker, I'm guessing is a lip? 
The rear lights on FL, yuk! Never liked the idea of altezza.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					01-12-2012 08:31 AM
				
			
			
				
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					  Originally Posted by  dc2screama
					 
				 
				Yeah thought it would have been. 
Do they both have a LSD? 
Air walker, I'm guessing is a lip? 
The rear lights on FL, yuk! Never liked the idea of altezza. 
			
		 
	 
 Both come with lsd and yea air walker is a lip. you can always get the fl and swap the rear lights to pre fl?
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					01-12-2012 08:50 AM
				
			
			
				
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							i assume you can get FL lights on the pre FL model as well? 
 
I see alot of headlights on eBay.. anyone tried any of them?
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					01-12-2012 08:53 AM
				
			
			
				
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							Aw good good, looking to buy one next year, just doing some research! 
Any common problems with them? 
Or if l plan to lower the car? 
Nah is rather the preface over face lift. 
There just some about the FL I don't like, preface is more aggressive
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					01-12-2012 08:54 AM
				
			
			
				
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					  Originally Posted by  doosra
					 
				 
				i assume you can get FL lights on the pre FL model as well? 
 
I see alot of headlights on eBay.. anyone tried any of them? 
			
		 
	 
 Yeah Iv seen a few of those depo ones out on eBay, id imagine you would have problems with fitment or something..
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					01-12-2012 09:45 AM
				
			
			
				
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							Be aware that a lot of those eBay ones are designed for usdm models too so if they're projectors (which is what FL should be) then the aim of the headlights will be opposite of what they should be for us.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					01-12-2012 09:53 AM
				
			
			
				
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							Cheers, I'll probably steer clear of them. Sounds like they could be more hassles.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					01-12-2012 10:29 AM
				
			
			
				
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					  Originally Posted by  Perry
					 
				 
				Your misses is doing a wise choice for you =) 
			
		 
	 
 lol i hope so, because shes got everything planned out ;D
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					01-12-2012 10:47 AM
				
			
			
				
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							Are ep3 air cons strong? Mine doesn't get that cold when I turn it full blast in hot weather. Is this when I should regas?
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
 
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					01-12-2012 10:22 PM
				
			
			
				
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							So tempted to do a brembo conversion >.<
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
					
						Last edited by UNA91; 02-12-2012 at 12:39 AM.
					
					
				 
				
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					02-12-2012 10:06 PM
				
			
			
				
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							Does it matter much in terms of efficiency between a 100 cpi and a 200cpi cat? I assumed a 100cpi cat would flow better, but i've read around saying that a 100cpi cat would normally need more structural support in the build to prevent the cells from collapsing and such, and these supports restrict air flow and therefore make the gains negligible compared to a 200cpi cat. Looking at PLM headers, it comes with a 200 cpi cat, just wondering if it's worth getting a 100 cpi one.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
                                       
                                 
				
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