Sportivo/T-Sport or Type R?

**LAZYCTR** · 31-01-2013 12:20 PM

I've owned a sportivo, which i am still a major fan of, good drive and power for what it is, but truely is horrible around corners. and now driving a EG B18cr and you cant go wrong.
If you have the money, go K20. But at the end of the day its what you prefer.

**butterfingers** · 31-01-2013 01:09 PM

The day a stock sportivo can outrun a stock type r I wi kill myself

**DreadAngel** · 31-01-2013 03:45 PM

It was already proven in BM, ZZT231 SS-II [That's the Celica with Superstrut option pack, 2ZZ-GE, etc] can't handle even the DC2R or EK9... Altezza even lost to both of them... Corolla T-Sport or Sportivo won't have a chance at all... Its heavier, less sorted than the Celica...

**charliebrown** · 31-01-2013 04:41 PM

You can comfortably sleep in the back of the corolla with seats down if you're not a tall mofo. I leave a blanket in my boot

**Parvez** · 31-01-2013 07:01 PM

I own a 05 sportivo corolla at the moment. Prior to owning the sportivo corolla, I owned a EM1 VTiR Civic. The EM1 only had a CAI kit for the vtec cross over, the sportivo at the moment is stock as well other than a exedy HD clutch which I had changed from the stock because I bought it with the stock clutch almost gone..
I've raced a DC5 Type R's off the line & kept up with them but I was pushing the 2zzge to it's limit just to keep up with the DC5 & that was about on it's quarter panel (both cars were stock). DC2 Type R, I've beaten but I honestly think the driver of the DC2 Type R had a bit of trouble launching off the line. These races have been in straight lines at eastern creek.

It's correct that the sportivo is absolutely poor around corners.. It's only good in a straight line. As for the lift kick in, it kicks in at 7000rpm! I gota admit that there's a power difference from the lift kick in compared to the vtec kick in with the b16c when I owned the EM1 but then again I'm comparing a 1.8L with a 1.6L. The gearboxes on the sportivo's are not built for racing AT ALL, it's built for the everyday drive which is why the syncro's get worn out. As for the clutch on the sportivo, thumbs down again.. Not an ideal clutch for racing, once again, it's built for the everyday drive because after a fair amount of time of hitting lift & shifting while in lift, the clutch wears out. Comparing the sportivo to the EM1 I owned, EM1 was much more fun to drive. Just with a CAI kit, the vtec crossover sounded much more mean. It had more grunt & you could race car & not have anything play up as opposed to the sportivo corolla. The gearbox was absolutely great & the clutch was great too. Only downside is that it's a 2 door coupe as opposed to the sportivo which is a 4 door hatch.

Honestly speaking, I'm aiming at buying a FN2R once I have the funds & giving the sportivo to one of my siblings. I've always been a Honda boy but Toyota for my family & I is used as a run around because it's cheap maintenance!

**-JC-** · 01-02-2013 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Parvez

As for the lift kick in, it kicks in at 7000rpm!

Good write up mate, but if Lift is coming on at 7000rpm in your sportivo, there is something seriously wrong. I have driven around 10 of them (and owned one from new for 5 years and 110,000 k's) and the only time lift has come in anywhere other than 6000rpm (give or take 100-200rpm depending on oil pressure etc) is when people have tuned them with a PowerFC or similar and bought the lift point down to 5500-5700rpm in order to make 'landing lift' on the 1st to 2nd gear change a little easier (i.e.: no need to slip the clutch to have it land at 6000rpm on the change).

**K20_Z** · 04-02-2013 03:52 PM

Thank you for that! I was just about to post something on this thread about whether or not I should buy an EM1 or T-sport. It's nice that a Corolla owner gave me their view on the car!

**K20_Z** · 04-02-2013 03:54 PM

Well, thank you all for such great answers! But if I couldn't go for an FN2 as a first, what about an EM1 compared to the T-Sport? Thank you all for the feedbac! And Parvez for giving me a comparison from his/her experience

**DreadAngel** · 04-02-2013 05:27 PM

Personally EM1 has more potential with the suspension but the B16A2 [160PS] can't compete with the 2ZZ [190PS] for peak power. I personally haven't seen many engine swapped EM1s either [I see more EKs than EJ/EM with B18Cs/Ks]... That's an option if you really like your EM1 and it hasn't been done.

If you look for articles on Ozhonda regarding the Double Wishbone v Macpherson Strut setup, you'll see why I say there is more potential with the double wishbone, Macpherson is a nightmare to tune for daily and the tofu soft Rolla makes it even harder without the accessibility of parts. EM1 should have similar support as EK so a plethora of parts available.

FYI I owned an AE111 and played with a few others so I know them

NB: T-Sport is the Europe model, RunX the JDM version

**Parvez** · 04-02-2013 06:36 PM

No worries. I'm glad it helped you. Don't get me wrong though, I love my sportivo corolla. It's great for my everyday drive to get me to uni, work & here & there. I don't mind racking up the kms in that because I service it always on time & look after it well, mechanically & physically. It's everything you can get in a little hot hatch. Nice & luxury with leather seats, has a great amount of power for it's size but as for racing around corner's, not so great but hey, who does racing around corners on a daily commute? Get me?

If you're looking for a car for the daily commute with that extra amount of power (only in a straight line, not around corners) then I'd suggest to go for the sportivo or even a EK or EG. If you're looking for a track car & a car for the daily commute then go for the EM1 or EP3 civic because the weight distribution in the chasis of the both the cars are great & there's many mods you can do mechanically as in engine swaps for the EM1 as suggest above or even turbo an EP3!

I'm aiming to buy a FN2R or EP3 JDM series once I gain enough funds which will be my track car hopefully.
I miss my EM1 but I only owned for a couple weeks because a person was interested in buying the car for much more than what I bought it for so I sold it to make a profit.

**charliebrown** · 04-02-2013 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by DreadAngel

If you look for articles on Ozhonda regarding the Double Wishbone v Macpherson Strut setup, you'll see why I say there is more potential with the double wishbone, Macpherson is a nightmare to tune for daily and the tofu soft Rolla makes it even harder without the accessibility of parts

This. The rolla also has a torsion beam setup for rear, which cannot be changed at all... can't even adjust the fkn toe lol forever changing rear tyres

**butterfingers** · 04-02-2013 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by DreadAngel

Personally EM1 has more potential with the suspension but the B16A2 [160PS] can't compete with the 2ZZ [190PS] for peak power. I personally haven't seen many engine swapped EM1s either [I see more EKs than EJ/EM with B18Cs/Ks]... That's an option if you really like your EM1 and it hasn't been done.

If you look for articles on Ozhonda regarding the Double Wishbone v Macpherson Strut setup, you'll see why I say there is more potential with the double wishbone, Macpherson is a nightmare to tune for daily and the tofu soft Rolla makes it even harder without the accessibility of parts. EM1 should have similar support as EK so a plethora of parts available.

FYI I owned an AE111 and played with a few others so I know them

NB: T-Sport is the Europe model, RunX the JDM version

straight line power, em1 woudnt be that far behind, its much lighter than the corolla