Coil overs vs Koni yellows and King spring

[Astrodice]

Hey all, On my ek4 sedan, I've been running king spring lows and stock shocks for about 6 years +. I'm biting the bullet and looking at either coliovers or just installing Koni yellows to mate with the springs.

From the outset I've done many a hour researching coilovers and reading reviews etc. Whilst I know many on here prefer coilovers I've done some research on them from local stores in Melb and summarised as follows:

A local tyrepower owner who i know, tell me that coilovers are not worth getting as they are too hard and bone jarring ride on a street car. He said that every time they were adjusted you'd have to do a wheel alignment on them. He suggested I should just buy Koni yellows with a cost of $1150.

A specialist suspension place suggested going BC BR coilovers for $1800 installed or just the Koni yellow for $1100

Another specialist suspension place tells me that they don't stock coilovers and just go the Koni yellows for $1150

A performance place here in Melbourne offer to install BC BR coilovers for $1600 or install XYZ branded coilovers for around $1500.

So question is what is the general consensus for just street driving do I go coilovers in particular BC BR or stick with the Koni yellow / King Spring combo, on a budget of $1500 - $1800 installed ?

Thanks
Astro.

[chargeR]

Whoever is quoting you $1150 for the Koni yellows is not your friend. You can get them for around $650 shipped from eBay, for example: LINK and you could buy all the tools needed to install them, buy a few slabs of beer for mates to help you and still come out ahead of that 1150 price.

If you're happy with the ride height and comfort of the king springs, then there's no reason not to go for the koni shocks to match with them. Just changing the shocks should give you a noticeable difference in cornering feel, as the Koni's will have a lot more rebound damping in particular when compared to your stock shocks. I'd expect ride comfort to improve a bit too. It also gives you the option of upgrading to a set of GC coilover sleeves down the track if you want different ride height or higher spring rates for a pretty moderate cost (approx. $400).

[bennjamin]

OP


are you considering actual track work ? Or what 99% of people do - hoon around and want your car low ?

Just get the cheaper end of the fully adjustable coilover range that you can afford. Make sure its damper adjustable (bound / rebound or both) and dual perch adjustable.
This will give exactly what you are after.

Try ebay , or pm a trader on this forum such as STNDRD who is in melbourne and can help you out


Koni yellows are sports dampers with only 2-3 perches of height adjust-ability.While they are great shocks , you will not be able to properly set them up and you wont be happy with the ride height mis-match front and rear.

[Astrodice]

Thanks for the advice guys.

I don't plan to track it at all, just a daily ride. I've noticed on Honda-tech it is all recommended to go the GC coilover sleeves with the Koni's. Is there anyone here on this forum running this config? In all honesty I don't mind the height of the car as it is now with the king lows, though I am sure I will notice the difference if I went the Koni's as ChargeR said.
Bennjamin, have you come across these in your workshop ie. Koni's and GC's? What is your most common setup, if there such thing as a standard setup?

I will also hit up STNDRD and pick his brain on it as well. He is a busy man to get hold of ;-)

[bennjamin]

IMO


Get BC racing , buddyclub etc. In your position Id go straight for the coilovers as suggested - just easier to install and setup - and better resale value too.


Here - Ive done a quick ebay search top help you out



If you are interested in the koni / GC combo here are some links
koni yellows for EK
ground control for all 92-00 civics including EKs

Thanks for the advice guys.

I don't plan to track it at all, just a daily ride. I've noticed on Honda-tech it is all recommended to go the GC coilover sleeves with the Koni's. Is there anyone here on this forum running this config? In all honesty I don't mind the height of the car as it is now with the king lows, though I am sure I will notice the difference if I went the Koni's as ChargeR said.
Bennjamin, have you come across these in your workshop ie. Koni's and GC's? What is your most common setup, if there such thing as a standard setup?

I will also hit up STNDRD and pick his brain on it as well. He is a busy man to get hold of ;-)

[DreadAngel]

Whilst I know many on here prefer coilovers...

Not really, there are two camps on OH Though this is highly dependent on application...

On this forum there are many running the Koni Yellow + GC Sleeves and most have been happy. Those unhappy usually have pushed the setup beyond its specs.

Anyway as Bennjamin said, Coilovers in general are 'easier' as you don't have to match the shocks and springs to each other. However as you may also have noticed coilovers especially the lower end ones tend to be harsh and compromised by being underdampened/undervalved and/or running stiff springs..

So this comes down to your application, personal preference and tolerance. If possible have a ride in EKs with the setups you're considering while taking into account their settings + specs. You can then decide what you want to go with. There are quite a few threads here with the info you need

[Astrodice]

Thanks again guys for the advice

[Rudy]

Koni + Ground control is a great setup and only slightly more expensive than the chinese coilovers

[Honda_FD]

Hey all, On my ek4 sedan, I've been running king spring lows and stock shocks for about 6 years +. I'm biting the bullet and looking at either coliovers or just installing Koni yellows to mate with the springs.

From the outset I've done many a hour researching coilovers and reading reviews etc. Whilst I know many on here prefer coilovers I've done some research on them from local stores in Melb and summarised as follows:

A local tyrepower owner who i know, tell me that coilovers are not worth getting as they are too hard and bone jarring ride on a street car. He said that every time they were adjusted you'd have to do a wheel alignment on them. He suggested I should just buy Koni yellows with a cost of $1150.

A specialist suspension place suggested going BC BR coilovers for $1800 installed or just the Koni yellow for $1100

Another specialist suspension place tells me that they don't stock coilovers and just go the Koni yellows for $1150

A performance place here in Melbourne offer to install BC BR coilovers for $1600 or install XYZ branded coilovers for around $1500.

So question is what is the general consensus for just street driving do I go coilovers in particular BC BR or stick with the Koni yellow / King Spring combo, on a budget of $1500 - $1800 installed ?

Thanks
Astro.

Coilovers arent necessarily Stiff or "Bone Jarring" Most BC coilovers have a 6:6kg front and rear with Damper Adjustments.
Im running BC BR Gold Series with 10:8 springs and on the Softest settings its not event bad.

Where did you get your quote for your BC Coilovers? $1,800 is HEAPS for BC BR Gold Series.
I got mine for $1,150 with Custom Springs & Camber Top.

Did you ask Suspension City in North Melbourne for Koni Shocks? They've been around for
for than 20 years so talk to them. They may be old but they know their shit.

If you do decide to get coilovers let me know and I'll see if I can get them for you at the same price.


I heard GAB isnt too bad aswell. Brand new
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...BC-cams./page4

[DreadAngel]

Coilovers arent necessarily Stiff or "Bone Jarring" Most BC coilovers have a 6:6kg front and rear with Damper Adjustments.
Im running BC BR Gold Series with 10:8 springs and on the Softest settings its not event bad.

Remember its highly subjective...

And 10:8 is soft for me in an EG/EK/DC2 lolz

[Honda_FD]

Remember its highly subjective...

And 10:8 is soft for me in an EG/EK/DC2 lolz

lol yeah. All comes down to personal preferences

[EKVTIR-T]

Depend how fat your ass is for road to butt comfort ratio