Honda Radiator Coolant Life

[Richard B]

I'm not sure what the Penrite strips actually test. AFAIK the only real issue with old coolants is degraded corrosion inhibition. The various anti-freeze and anti-boil additives break down much more slowly than the corrosion inhibitors added to coolant additive.

If you follow standard practice and replace your water pump every time you replace a timing belt, you will never encounter the effects of degraded coolant unless you capture your coolant and poured it back in or something.

If you fill your cooling system with plain water, you can do your normal driving as long as your cooling system is in good order. Just don't go towing your boat over the mountains

Cooling systems are (mostly) over-engineered so they can deal with extreme temperature situations. Taking that into account I once drove my old Accord hundreds of kilometers with a punctured radiator but loosening the radiator cap and turning the cooling system from pressurised to atmospheric. As the leak was high up I didn't lose much coolant once the level in the radiator dropped to where the hole was.

Of course by doing that, the temperature gauge will happily show half way while the system boils dry so you need to check how much water is left in the radiator every now and then.

[beeza]

LOL,Martin,there's no secrets here mate.The strips sound good.I haven't tried em.

Wow,that's mad Richard,like something I would see on bush mechanics!

Bush mechanics FTW.

[Martin77]

Wow,that's mad Richard,like something I would see on bush mechanics!

Bush mechanics FTW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55pdUjNgwAY

[Martin77]

If you follow standard practice and replace your water pump every time you replace a timing belt, you will never encounter the effects of degraded coolant unless you capture your coolant and poured it back in or something.

If you fill your cooling system with plain water, you can do your normal driving as long as your cooling system is in good order. Just don't go towing your boat over the mountains

Cooling systems are (mostly) over-engineered so they can deal with extreme temperature situations. Taking that into account I once drove my old Accord hundreds of kilometers with a punctured radiator but loosening the radiator cap and turning the cooling system from pressurised to atmospheric. As the leak was high up I didn't lose much coolant once the level in the radiator dropped to where the hole was.

Of course by doing that, the temperature gauge will happily show half way while the system boils dry so you need to check how much water is left in the radiator every now and then.

Thanks Richard.

[beeza]

Been talking with John Murray,the FOUNDER and CEO of cerma,this is what he said,bless him for being online and available,6 hrs I had a reply on youtube!
He knows what it takes in this world to keep your head above water,EVEN WITH a superior product like his.
Thanks John.


John Murray

Brett,*Thanks for the post,,, As to those suggesting cerma is boron nitride or white graphite or any other out dated technology? NOT!*Cerma technology was developed in 1999 by me while running a company that was employed by both private and gov. entities that had problems with engineering, mech application, etc! Cerma was originally designed to reduce harmonic signatures ( see metallurgy testing), later STM-3 was applied to reduce smog in engines (see EPA testing) we tested the product for over 5 years prior to selling one drop of cerma treatment, (all public testing is on site)*But more directly: Cerma STM-3 is a new technology that has never been utilized in the world of engines before. to the nay sayers well? I would say technology is always evolving and to say it is something old or a rehash of same old thing, prior to doing the research on the technology, just shows how ignorant some can be.Evolution can be very scary to those that are stuck in there own outdated world. I would ask them if they are aware that in 1999 computers were 1000 times less powerful, cell phone were not smart, internet was Small , and AOL was the ISP leader.... Evolution, things change , improve, we USA landed mar's , but to some the earth is still flat and there fine with that.. God bless them.

[Fredoops]

Grand statement with no answers. Sounds like a pyramid scheme salesman.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...&Number=958555

STM-3 is a Polyether or Polyester-modified polydialkylsiloxane mixed at .5 to 2.5 percent by volume in a carrier. It goes further to state that a 100% siloxane product is available from BYK Chemie USA, Inc. as BYK-333

Here's the "patent":
http://www.google.com.au/patents/EP1786890A1?cl=en

If you got a patent what's stopping them from just saying what it is?

And why was the patent withdrawn in 2011 after an examination report by the patent office?

Oh btw if you want this additive in bulk:
http://m.1688.com/offer/520576388879...44630.2.dlc29R

Mixture in the patent is 0.5% by volume in base oil.

$290 CNY for a kilo. Which is I think $50 aud give or take.

[beeza]

The company has only grown in leaps and bounds since 2011.

Gotta be doing something right.

Enlighten me on the patent thingy..

[Fredoops]

Well if you take something that's worth not a whole lot then sell it for 100x it's cost price of course you make money.

Look. Someone decided to put some paint additive into engine and see how it go.

He think he hit gold mine. So he gets something that's $60 a kilo, repackage and sells it to you at what? $100 for 8oz (which isn't 8oz of the poly/silicone stuff, the patent tells you the formula)?

The guy put in a patent in 2004 claiming all those benefits . The patent office thinks about it and issued a examination report in 2008 (bascially a "please explain" and "give further info"). Something happened or didn't happen that resulted in the patent office shutting down the patent application in 2011.


Also, there seems to have been some drama with the company a few years ago
http://m.ripoffreport.com/r/cerma-te...4703#comment_3

You'd think that if someone had stolen your formula before already, you'd push through with the patent application to make sure it doesn't happen again. Appreantly not

Bit of context. My mum used to work with venture capitalists back in the day. Where they would be flooded with claims/inventers wanting funding/investment. Most would have patents pending. Half of those patents don't check out. Go figure.

[Martin77]

Good job Fred for doing the investigation. And thanks Beeza for clarifying that cerma is not Boron Nitride.

I bought cerma once and it does help with lubrication. In saying that, $100 is expensive for one dose (2 oz). How much did you get it for Beeza?
Given the price of Liqui Moly Ceratec or Engine Protect (motor protect in USA), $50 is reasonable for this sort of product. More people will try it and if it is good, people will tell others about it.

There are good additive as mentioned before, where we need to replace it at every oil change and it cost approx $15 per treatment. This include Liqui Moly MOS2, Lubegard Biotech (from Amazon) and others. $100 gets 6 treatments and you have the flexibility of not using it (in the future) if the product is not good. I think the improved lubrication is the same but we need to consider the cost and longevity.

[Fredoops]

There are good additive as mentioned before, where we need to replace it at every oil change and it cost approx $15 per treatment. This include Liqui Moly MOS2, Lubegard Biotech (from Amazon) and others. $100 gets 6 treatments and you have the flexibility of not using it (in the future) if the product is not good. I think the improved lubrication is the same but we need to consider the cost and longevity.

That. Is the golden question.

One can claim an additive do what ever it does.

Is it any better than $15 worth of Zinc (I get the rislone zddp, last 2 oil changes)?

Or a $16 bottle of MOS2?

[beeza]

Cheers Martin,I was quite thrilled to talk to the creator himself and such a quick response (YouTube).I paid 96 and 64 for manual transmission .

U can buy it on amazon,ebay has 1 seller or:

https://www.cermastore.com/treatments.html

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AZ...ISL&ref=plSrch

http://m.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?isRe...d=morecoenergy

Um,no,lubrication is not the same as those cheap additives,not the same at all but do ya own research yeah.

+1 for cerma,lets move on lol

[Martin77]

Thanks Beeza,
I think cerma will work differently with different cars.
I put cerma on my lancer (car is gone now-transmission) at about 360,000 km on the clock. I put the cerma shortly after an oil change (John's recommendation) and drove it as per instruction ( took a detour from normal route to work) on the day it was put in. My drive to work is 35 km each way and mostly 80-110 km/hr. I didn't notice significant change until one day I took my car to Bathurst (for work) in an area where there are a lot of hill climb. This is about 8000 km after I put the cerma and noticed significant difference. I changed the oil probably 4000 km after that and I wasnt 100% sure, if the improvement carries over to the next oil change as I always use good synthetic oil (redline and motul).
I think cerma works if the car temperature get elevated to a certain high level and I'm not sure if it will work with Honda as it is a relatively smooth engine. My brother has an old laser and it runs hot. It probably work well with that car. So I think cerma is not for every car or everyone. It won't work if we drive it gently.

Let's move on. John Murray would need to send a free sample to Fred and I so that we could do more testing with it. Can you please ask John to do this?