2005 Turkish Grand Prix - Istanbu (discussion)

[aaronng]

i admit that the race was an exciting one. i almost fell off the bed due to the excitment at the start of the race. im a kimi fan so my heart kinda skipped a few beats but was fine after he regain pole postion. =]

as for montoya...i wouldve been so blardy stirred! that daymn Jordan car shouldve let him thru! McClaren couldve had P1 and P2! bummer.

the footage was good too, kinda more entertaining with the showing of mike tysona dn other VIPS and for the guys....there were some chicks.

The Jordon did let him through. Montoya came back into the line after overtaking and braked, catching Monteiro unaware... Quite silly... But remember, Montoya is a top tier driver while Monteiro is still learning the ropes, especially on a new track like this. But poor poor Montoya.....

[jackosimm]

Brilliant race overall, just shows that even with 2005 spec aero you can overtake easily if the track allows it.
Just proves my theory that Forumla 1 cars have out-grown most of the older tracks!

I have never noticed you say that, but it makes perfect sense! I havent ever realised this, and it does seem very clear.
They need more new tracks to suit the current specifications of Formula 1 cars, such as turkey which provided a thrilling race. Bahrain and China too. And yes, bye bye Australia if more of these tracks keep coming up. Funny enough I wouldnt mind giving up our GP for more of them.

[TwistedGurl]

The Jordon did let him through. Montoya came back into the line after overtaking and braked, catching Monteiro unaware... Quite silly... But remember, Montoya is a top tier driver while Monteiro is still learning the ropes, especially on a new track like this. But poor poor Montoya.....

ok.

sorri but im still a newbie to the f1 so i dont realli know much. =]

[toE]

I have never noticed you say that, but it makes perfect sense! I havent ever realised this, and it does seem very clear.
They need more new tracks to suit the current specifications of Formula 1 cars, such as turkey which provided a thrilling race. Bahrain and China too. And yes, bye bye Australia if more of these tracks keep coming up. Funny enough I wouldnt mind giving up our GP for more of them.

Doesn't Albert Park or the Victorian Government have a contract for the F1 for another 10yrs or was it 6?

[aaronng]

ok.

sorri but im still a newbie to the f1 so i dont realli know much. =]

Nah... I would have gotten out of the F1 car and ran over to the Jordon to bash him up if I were Montoya.

Eh, did I meet you at the last Harry's meet?

[LUD02C]

Juan Pablo Montoya may believe Tiago Monteiro is to blame for him losing second place in Sunday’s Turkish GP, however, the Jordan driver says the only person who is to blame is Montoya.

Two laps before the end of the race Montoya went to lap Monteiro. However, as he pulled in front of the Jordan driver, Monteiro hit him from behind, sending the McLaren driver spinning out of second place.

"I was lapping Monteiro, then he did to me what (Jos) Verstappen did to me a few years ago and he hit me and broke the rear diffuser which lost me all the downforce at the back,” said an angry Montoya.

However, Monteiro claims he was not at fault.

"I will definitely be having a word with Juan Pablo to clear this one up," he told The Guardian.

"The drivers have said among themselves 10,000 times not to cut across like that."

"Why did he do it two laps from the end? I was surprised because we would have been doing 120mph on the brakes when we touched and that is dangerous."

"It was so stupid... he's the first one to talk about it all the time in the briefings. You don't move position in the braking zone for safety reasons."

The Jordan driver added that perhaps Montoya should have learnt his lesson the first time this happened four years ago in Brazil with Verstappen.

"If it was the same, then maybe he should know that you don't go back in front of someone when you've just overtaken him because the guy behind loses downforce completely," he concluded.

[LUD02C]

I'm sorry Monteiro, but when a blue flag is waved at you when someone is coming to lap you then you must allow space for them to overtake as soon as you can without loosing position (to another car)

Now lets look at the facts.

1/ No one was near Monteiro (as in a competitor)
2/ He had outbraked himself at corner 2 I think it was and nearly hit Klien (I think)
3/ In Germany he made the same stupid mistake and took out Jacques.

Sorry Monteiro but yet again, you outbraked yourself, as a podium finisher Montoya had every single right to go back on the racing line.

Anyone disagree?

[aaronng]

I'm sorry Monteiro, but when a blue flag is waved at you when someone is coming to lap you then you must allow space for them to overtake as soon as you can without loosing position (to another car)

Now lets look at the facts.

1/ No one was near Monteiro (as in a competitor)
2/ He had outbraked himself at corner 2 I think it was and nearly hit Klien (I think)
3/ In Germany he made the same stupid mistake and took out Jacques.

Sorry Monteiro but yet again, you outbraked yourself, as a podium finisher Montoya had every single right to go back on the racing line.

Anyone disagree?

The blue flag was waved, and he did let Montoya through. So it's not a blue flag violation.
1) Yes, no one was a competitor near him, and he let Montoya through.
2) Yes, drivers with less experience on a brand new track tend to misjudge the braking zone.
3) Yes, he's relatively a newbie in F1. His first race around a circuit was in 1997. In 1999 he started in F3. He's only started in F1 in the middle of 2004 as a test driver for Renault and in the end of 2004 with Jordan as a regular driver. He's the newest newbie in F1! He's got only slightly over 1/2 a year of F1 experience. But then again, remember when Montoya crashed into the rear of M Schumacher in the Monaco GP under safety car conditions?

Is it Monteiro's fault? My opinion is that he was put into a situation where he was not skilled enough to avoid collision. Drivers usually only lock the brakes when there is no room on the left or right to avoid a collision. If you observe the top drivers (which is everyone except Minardi and Jordan ), they tend to brake AND drive off the track when a collision is eminent. You can always see this in the 1st corner after starting. The veterans all avoid and end up on the grass, driving around the mess while the newbies get smashed front wings and losing carbon fibre everywhere.

Now, Montoya..... WHO THE HECK zips back in front of another car and brakes hard unless the car behind is a damn tailgator on the M4? Sounds like poor judgement like in the Monte Carlo incident....

I say it is both the drivers' fault.

[^^v]

i agree with aaronng...
n as i said earlier... the McLarens have superb breaking.. quite alot better than... the Jordans

[jackosimm]

Doesn't Albert Park or the Victorian Government have a contract for the F1 for another 10yrs or was it 6?

lol Jase, wanna help me out here? I dont have a clue

[LUD02C]

You can't say because he is new that he should be given extra "care" around the track.
If a driver is on the track, holding a super licence I think they should have no excuse.

I do see your point, and its a good one

Jackosimm - I know they resigned it, but for how long I can't remember. 6 years is ringing bells in my head for some reason.

[^^v]

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that coulda been me ><""" .. fkn montoya lolz