coladuna: i love my jazz, well not looove but you know so im quite biased.. but i think if i was driving a euro around, i probably would find more faults in the jazz.. Euros are very nice.

I think the jazz will struggle a bit if you're measuring it up against the sp23. I'm suprised there's so little price difference between the two. For my budget and what I require the jazz was the best choice by a long margin. I guess in a way the fact that you are even measuring the jazz against sp23 is pretty complementary to the jazz.

I personally like pre-facelift.