[Euro] Brake pad replacement

[Eurotony]

By the sound of it you need to have this looked at NOW!!! If you have something trapped in the pad, it won't be hard to remove & can do a fair amount of damage in a short period of time. Some-one with even a small amount of mechanical knowledge can take the pads out without too much trouble. If need be I can have a look at mine tomorrow & explain how it's done.

[aaronng]

By the sound of it you need to have this looked at NOW!!! If you have something trapped in the pad, it won't be hard to remove & can do a fair amount of damage in a short period of time. Some-one with even a small amount of mechanical knowledge can take the pads out without too much trouble. If need be I can have a look at mine tomorrow & explain how it's done.

Yup, going to check mine tomorrow. If it's the same as for a 94 Accord, then I can do it.

[yfin]

Given the OEM dealer price in Aus for front and rear Euro pads (about $320AUD) I plan to buy some front and rear pads whilst I am in the USA. The OEM Acura TSX pads are only $80US (front and rear). (Yes, I know we are being ripped off in Australia) .The other option that seems quite popular on the TSX are the Hawk HPS pads but I can't seem to find anyone who has reviewed these in Australia.

Does anyone have a view on theseHawk pads - they cost about $140US front and rear. Not sure if it is worth double the OEM price. I can get the EBC greens front and rear for only $112US but I am a bit wary about those given one so so review in this thread and some fitment issues euroaccord13 has mentioned.

Hmmm - so which ones would you go for? OEM TSX, Hawk or EBC?

ONe more question - can anyone confirm 100% that the TSX pads fit the Euro? I think it should - here are the dimensions for the TSX (looks like in inches) if anyone can compare to the Euro I would be grateful Thickness here:

FRONT - PICS FROM THE HAWK WEB SITE




REAR

[yfin]

Well I think I may have matched up some part numbers!

Honda Australia part numbers (I only asked about 2004 model):

• Front brake pads part number is 45022SEAJ01 and priced at $157.75

• Rear brake pads part number is 43022SV4G22 and priced at $160.15

ACURA TSX part numbers:

• Front brake pads part number is 45022-SEA-J00 (2004) or 45022-SEA-J11 (2005)

• Rear brake pads part number is 43022-SV4-G22 (2004) or 43022-S84-A50 (2005)

Apparently Honda changed the pad material on the 2005 TSX model hence difference numbers but you can use the 2005 pads on the 2003/04 (according to the TSX forum). Same probably applies in Australia but I didn't check 05 pad numbers.

So I have a perfect match for the rears - but a slightly different number for the fronts. I think it is just pad material and it will still fit perfectly.

Heck for $80US F&R I am happy to punt on it being fine. At least I have rears confirmed. Hopefully this helps people out there before they pay $320 at a Honda dealer in Aus!


By the way - still interested in thoughts on those Hawk pads!

[stalin]

i'v done about 36k on my euro and when i took the car for a oil/filter/minor service (ultraline) they told me that front discs have to be machined..and the guy said he could do it for me for 120$.. but just wondering eurotony had mentioned that he did it under the warranty and they change the pads too(???) , is this really the case? , i thought that pads, machining discs etc were not under warranty..

[EuroAccord13]

i'v done about 36k on my euro and when i took the car for a oil/filter/minor service (ultraline) they told me that front discs have to be machined..and the guy said he could do it for me for 120$.. but just wondering eurotony had mentioned that he did it under the warranty and they change the pads too(???) , is this really the case? , i thought that pads, machining discs etc were not under warranty..

Are your brakes squeaking or squealing? If not, I do not think you need to machine your discs yet.. Also $120 to do the front discs is way too much to be honest.

As for the warranty, best to pm eurotony and get the details off him

[Omotesando]

Well I think I may have matched up some part numbers!

Honda Australia part numbers (I only asked about 2004 model):

• Front brake pads part number is 45022SEAJ01 and priced at $157.75

• Rear brake pads part number is 43022SV4G22 and priced at $160.15

ACURA TSX part numbers:

• Front brake pads part number is 45022-SEA-J00 (2004) or 45022-SEA-J11 (2005)

• Rear brake pads part number is 43022-SV4-G22 (2004) or 43022-S84-A50 (2005)

Apparently Honda changed the pad material on the 2005 TSX model hence difference numbers but you can use the 2005 pads on the 2003/04 (according to the TSX forum). Same probably applies in Australia but I didn't check 05 pad numbers.

So I have a perfect match for the rears - but a slightly different number for the fronts. I think it is just pad material and it will still fit perfectly.

Heck for $80US F&R I am happy to punt on it being fine. At least I have rears confirmed. Hopefully this helps people out there before they pay $320 at a Honda dealer in Aus!


By the way - still interested in thoughts on those Hawk pads!

Cool.. thanks YFIN for the great information. As you said not sure if TSX fronts will fit but I would imagine so Here's hoping. So much cheaper, unbelievable really. Actually brake pads are quite heavy to carry, a set of fronts and rear are easily a few kilos.

If they fit, I think we should do a group buy on those one day, have them shipped via sea or something.




As for EBC Greenstuff - I have to say, the advertisements are good haha. Granted I haven't used them before, but some friends have. They actually don't work and will fade when even slightly heated up.

Personally I have used Endless NA-S (80-450C, I think), Project Mu Titan-Kai (0-800C) and RB74 (don't know, but street/track pad) on other car before. Project Mu Titan-Kai were the most expensive, over-rated pads ever. Endless were bloody great yet dusty, but this is NOT the street pad. RB74's were very happy with them. Performed as good as the Project Mu Titan-Kai at 1/3rd the price.


Heard really good things about Ferodos in general - wonder if available for Euro!

[stalin]

Are your brakes squeaking or squealing? If not, I do not think you need to machine your discs yet.. Also $120 to do the front discs is way too much to be honest.

As for the warranty, best to pm eurotony and get the details off him

its making a squeaking (something like a little kid shouting or somthing like that)) noise.. just wondering is that because of pads needing to be changed or discs have to machined..or both..

[fraqqie]

i just had my OEM brake pads replaced for the fronts since they were squealling but turns out they still had abit of life to go (maybe 3mm til the end)

i just went ahead and got the Bendix Advance pads on em ($55 )

so far so gwed, a little less brake dust than OEM and stopping power is as good or a little better... so not too bad

hey... so u guys are saying that squealling is a sign of warping or requires machining? why is that?

plus... when u guys replaced ur pads, did u guys notice uneven wearing between the left and the right? i took the OEM home and saw the left had way more than the right pads

[aaronng]

plus... when u guys replaced ur pads, did u guys notice uneven wearing between the left and the right? i took the OEM home and saw the left had way more than the right pads

Could be because we drive on the left side of the road, so we brake and turn left more often. Someone who's car spends most of its life on the highway should have even wear.

[yfin]

Just an update on my search for aftermarket pads in the US (for those who want to buy on ebay etc)- the TSX and Euro do not share the same FMSI (friction materials standards institute) number for the front pads. The FMSI difference means the shape of the front pads is slightly different (that could explain why some of you guys with the EBC pads have been sanding them down to fit).

Here are the FMSI numbers for the 04 Euro:

FRONT: FMSI 7795-D914
REAR: FMSI 7418-D537

The front FMSI used is the same as the following US vehicle applications:
2004-03 Honda Accord Coupe - 4 Cyl.
2004-03 Honda Accord Sedan - 4 Cyl.
2004-02 Honda CR-V
2003 Honda Element
2004-03 Honda Pilot

The rear FMSI used is the same as the following US vehicle applications:
2003-01 Acura CL
1999-97 Acura CL - 2.3L, 4 cyl.
1999-97 Acura CL - 3.0L, V6
2001-97 Acura Integra - Type "R"
1995-91 Acura Legend
1990-86 Acura Legend
2004-99 Acura RL
1998-96 Acura RL
2004-02 Acura RSX
2004-02 Acura RSX-S
2004-99 Acura TL
1998-95 Acura TL
2004 Acura TSX
1994-92 Acura Vigor
1997-93 Honda Accord Coupe
2004-03 Honda Accord Coupe - 4 Cyl.
2002-98 Honda Accord Coupe - 4 Cyl.
2002-98 Honda Accord Coupe - V6
2004-03 Honda Accord Coupe - V6 - EX, 6 Speed M/T
2004-03 Honda Accord Coupe - V6 - LX, EX - Automatic
1994 Honda Accord Sedan
2004-03 Honda Accord Sedan - 4 Cyl.
2002-98 Honda Accord Sedan - 4 Cyl.
1997-95 Honda Accord Sedan - 4 Cyl.
1993-90 Honda Accord Sedan - Akebono Front Caliper
2004-03 Honda Accord Sedan - V6
2002-95 Honda Accord Sedan - V6
1997-91 Honda Accord Wagon
2003-02 Honda Civic Hatchback - Si
2004-02 Honda CR-V
2003 Honda Element
1998-95 Honda Odyssey
2001-97 Honda Prelude
1996-92 Honda Prelude - S, w/o ABS
1996-92 Honda Prelude - Se, Si - w/o ABS
1996-92 Honda Prelude - V-Tec
2003-00 Honda S2000
1999-96 Isuzu Oasis

** note that many aftermarket brake manufacturers use the FMSI number in their own part numbers or will cross reference to the FMSI if you ask.

Eg on this web site - as long as you know the FMSI number the manufacturer number is not needed

[aaronng]

That's great info yfin! I hope this thread goes into the FAQ sticky.