Does you euro have drift to one side tendency?

[LXRY]

Yep my 06 euro lux drifts to the right side, when roads cambers to the right, camber problem i think? not alignment...dealership even stated this. It happened about 4,000 klm mark...complained to dealership, got the run around. They adjusted something according to them(did not pull AS much after this) . Did not resolve the issue though....Went back again told me that- all euro's pull to the right, your driving a fwd, you bought a sports car, it's because of the low profile tyres, three mechanics drove it and could not find anything wrong with it and told me not too worry because honda has plenty of money and if something happens down the track they would pay for it have never heard such CRAP before made me look stupid, very upset....I'm going into the dealership again to complain if that doesnt work will contact honda customer relations. This is a serious issue for me as it effects my driving experience. I can't believe the nerve of these mechanics.

[EuroAccord13]

*Hush Hush Info from Honda Insider* ----> No I am not the insider!!!!

I was told of this recently, besides the fact that we drift to the left a little because of us driving on the left hand side, the other reason is because of the car's sub frame, dealerships now know of this issue as countless wheel alignments have yielded nothing and after checking with Honda HQ it was found to be the sub frame. To correct this problem, the sub frame needs to be adjusted slightly to correct this issue...

[Woogler]

Hi LXRY,

Stick to your guns mate. HA need more people to complain about this problem because I was told I was "the first" to bring this to their attention. Yet once the topic was listed on here, the real story comes out.

I also am so dissapointed with my Euro due to the steering really wrecking the experience. It is so annoying, constantly holding the wheel to one side, always having to stay very focussed on the way the car is moving over the road as it tries to fight itself. I am having my front tyres replaced mid week but I have a sneaking suspicion that this is not the real problem. But I have never had directional tyres on a car before so I am unable to make an informed comment.

I suggest if your dealer plays stupid about the problem, then perhaps they are. I started treating mine with such contempt and started giving them solutions. Not a good sign of the times. In fact, HA have failed to return my last 2 phone enquiries about an update of their "search for a solution to the problem" which has been going for 3 months.

Good luck. I am interested to hear how you go.

[Woogler]

Adjust the subframe slightly? I am assuming this involves bending or twisting it?

[Onrmnd]

*Hush Hush Info from Honda Insider* ----> No I am not the insider!!!!

I was told of this recently, besides the fact that we drift to the left a little because of us driving on the left hand side, the other reason is because of the car's sub frame, dealerships now know of this issue as countless wheel alignments have yielded nothing and after checking with Honda HQ it was found to be the sub frame. To correct this problem, the sub frame needs to be adjusted slightly to correct this issue...

I also have a friend who could be called a honda insider. She claims that they have had multiple complaints with this issue and apparently they changed 4 tires on a car as the customer complained so much and she stated " It fixed the problem" I don't know if this is the full repair they did, but i have been told from her lips that this is what the dealership had done.

[yfin]

*Hush Hush Info from Honda Insider* ----> No I am not the insider!!!!

I was told of this recently, besides the fact that we drift to the left a little because of us driving on the left hand side, the other reason is because of the car's sub frame, dealerships now know of this issue as countless wheel alignments have yielded nothing and after checking with Honda HQ it was found to be the sub frame. To correct this problem, the sub frame needs to be adjusted slightly to correct this issue...

ahh an insider hey?! Well if they are adjusting the sub frame that sounds like the issue is with unequal camber left and right (rear). So even though the rear camber is within spec it might be uneven left and right.

It raises a question though - do people who have a camber kit fitted have the pull on the steering to either side?

ps - I am happy to be proven wrong on this but I seriously doubt this is a tyre only problem. I had the same issue on the OEM Dunlops and it reoccured later with Falken 512s. I also find it a bit surprising that the issue occurs on both the OEM Dunlops and now the OEM 17" Bridgestones. All 3 brands of tyres can't be defective. This has to be an alignment or suspension issue. I swap suspension and do an alignment and the issue goes away?

Something is not right and quite frankly I am surprised how difficult it has been for some of you to get resolution from Honda. Hopefully there will be a definitive answer soon. If it is unequal camber that is a relatively easy fix.

[avid]

I wonder if,rather than a camber issue as a result of subframe misalignment,it is more a problem of unequal wheelbase on either side of the car?This would change the thrust angle and cause the car to try and move to the side with the shorter wheelbase.Just a thought,because its not always checked on some wheel alignment machines,and when it is found, is often ignored as they cant do anything about it anyway.

[yfin]

I wonder if,rather than a camber issue as a result of subframe misalignment,it is more a problem of unequal wheelbase on either side of the car?This would change the thrust angle and cause the car to try and move to the side with the shorter wheelbase.Just a thought,because its not always checked on some wheel alignment machines,and when it is found, is often ignored as they cant do anything about it anyway.

Interesting point - who checks the distance between the centre of the front wheels and the centre of the rear wheels?

That would be an easy check to do - even at home. So if people are having this problem get out the measuring tape and let us know if there are differences between left and right

[avid]

I thought i also heard somewhere that the Euro has some form of supplemental electric power steering assist.If that is true,could that be affecting steering in some way.If it was via electric motor could it be as a result of voltage fluctuations in the system.I could be way off here with this theory and the electric assist may be a complete load of crap,i dont know, but i'm trying to think beyond the usual suspension/alignment/tyres ideas.

[cgspot]

Interesting point
Who knows ... Honda?

A wheel rotation minimized the pull/drift/tramtracking to the right on my 06 sports with the supplied Potenza 225/45 17 @ 1000K, however after another 1000K the problem is happening again, BUT, not all he time.
Stranger than fiction (to quote Split Enz)
In this case it might be Stranger than Friction....

I thought i also heard somewhere that the Euro has some form of supplemental electric power steering assist.If that is true,could that be affecting steering in some way.If it was via electric motor could it be as a result of voltage fluctuations in the system.I could be way off here with this theory and the electric assist may be a complete load of crap,i dont know, but i'm trying to think beyond the usual suspension/alignment/tyres ideas.

[aaronng]

I thought i also heard somewhere that the Euro has some form of supplemental electric power steering assist.If that is true,could that be affecting steering in some way.If it was via electric motor could it be as a result of voltage fluctuations in the system.I could be way off here with this theory and the electric assist may be a complete load of crap,i dont know, but i'm trying to think beyond the usual suspension/alignment/tyres ideas.

Hmm, the Euro's power steering is fully run through the hydraulic power steering pump. It does not have any electrical assistance. I don't see any cables running in and out of the PS pump. It's the EuroR that has electrical power steering.

[Omotesando]

Didn't someone already mentioned they fixed the problem by adjusting with the Tension Rods and most possibly playing with the Toe angles?

Not sure if it was missed. Give this a try first.

As for subframes, I would have thought they come with rather soft bushings from standard anyway, so they shouldn't exactly alter the rear camber enough to steer the car to one side.