Does you euro have drift to one side tendency?

**LXRY** · 13-09-2006 07:34 PM

Just got back supposedly my car was not ready yet, something suss.

I hope they really fix it p!ssn me off. They said it'll be ready tommorow..

Do the dealerships have laser alignment or normal?

If laser hasn't been done I am going to do laser too just to be sure.
Will post again tomm. stay tuned ppl....

This gonna cost me....gonna be broke

**Woogler** · 13-09-2006 10:02 PM

Hey,

The dealer says its all about the tyres (according to the prophecy..lol). They have ordered 2 new ones for me and they will be fitted next week.

The speed for the drift into other lanes was not detailed.

I agree with LXRY! We all buy a new car for many reasons. The aesthetics, warranty and the supposed reliability. This is an issue which destroys the driving experience for me and I am very dissapointed with my purchase. I consider this a safety issue because the car takes me into oncoming traffic if I let go of the wheel!

**yfin** · 13-09-2006 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by LXRY

Yfin I bought a new car with new car warranty, thats why I bought a new car so I wouldn't have to worry about any problems, dealership or honda should be taking care of this, I shouldn't have to touch anything!! It has only done 13000 klm's.

Are you working for Honda?

No I don't work for Honda - I have been through a similar (but not same issue - it was a drift to the left) experience over 2 years ago. I understand your frustration!

I tried to get it fixed by a dealer. Initially I was told 'wheel alignments' are not included in the warranty, and I was made to feel like they were doing me a huge favour when they agreed to check the alignment at a measly 4000km. I was subsequently told about this 6 second rule on the freeway, blah, blah. Eventually I ditched the Honda dealers as every subsequent Honda dealer I went to (not that many - maybe 5) did not have laser alignment machines. The manual Honda alignments were crap - just like you experienced (the steering wheel was off or the car went in the other direction, etc).

Yes your car is still under warranty but as you said earlier your tyres are now worn unevenly. It is going to be hard to prevent some change in direction now the tyres are all over the place. Even if you get a laser alignment I am not hopeful it will solve the issue if your tyres look crap. As for the cost - get your tyres rotated every 5000km (I get mine balanced as well with alignments every 10-15,000k). To me that is the cost of owning the car and is well worth it if you want to avoid shredding tyres in 13,000kms.

As for how to fix this - I have suggested all I can. The problem is solved on my Euro as stated earlier but there are so many changed variables in my set up now I can't pinpoint for you what made the difference (different suspension set up, wider rims, wider and non-directional tyres with a higher and softer sidewall, a number of regular laser alignments, strut brace, etc). A change to non-directional tyres certainly did help reduce tramlining - I know that for sure.

**LXRY** · 13-09-2006 11:21 PM

1- LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 13000 klm
2 - cgspot-06 Euro Sport (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 2400klm
3 - clowdz-06 Sports.(17" Bridgestone Potenza) Pulling Right day 1 1200KM's
4 - tanalasta - Euro Sport with (17" OEM Bridgestone) strong pull right 6300km
5 - V205 - 05 Lux (17" Bridgestone) , drift to the right, 9300km.
6 - Woogler - 06 Euro sports (17" bridgestone potenza's) Pulls right since day one! 2700km's now.

Date changed to Wednesday 20th sept. if anyone cant call on this day for any reason just say the word and we change the date as we need all of us to work together for this one....

**avid** · 14-09-2006 06:53 PM

Well,i might as well add my car to the list, although i dont know what the chances would be of Honda doing anything for me as i swapped my 16" Std wheels for a set of 17" Honda Sport wheels with Potenzas when both sets had done the same milage(approx 7,000kms).I immediately noticed the car drifting right in well under this 6 secs people are talking about. Had the alignment checked and told it was all in spec.The car has done 10,500kms now and i think its gotten worse.Just for the hell of it two weeks ago i put my old 16" wheels with the non directional Dunlops on the front and went for a short run to see the result(with the 17"still on the back btw).Went down the exact same wide flat road,and guess what....no drift either way,just like it was before i added the Potenzas into the mix.
Just a bit of history here...back in the early 80's Ford produced LTD's and Fairlanes at Eagle Farm here in Bris,and i worked there.At the time there was a brand of tyre being used on them called the Uniroyal, i think from memory.
We had no end of problems with the tyre,mainly balance issues, but if i can recall, Ford had no luck getting Uniroyal to fess up and change all the dud tyres.Uniroyal stuck doggedly to their side of the story and the dealers were left carrying the can.I later worked for Mitsubishi, and they had the exact same issue with the tyre on the Sigma,and Uniroyal stonewalled on the issue with them too.Mabye they should have listened, as that tyre brand went out of existence a few years later.......Moral of the story.....dont hold our collective breaths waiting for Honda to get Bridgestone to admit any fault with the tyre.
Anyway,i'm all for calling Honda on mass next week if thats still on.

**cgspot** · 15-09-2006 07:29 AM

Wednesday is good for me, Thanks for all the info on Tramtracking etc My car sure does tramtrack but it also veers to the right lane in less than 6sec on a flat new road, it does veer more at different speeds but I havn't worked all of that out yet, I'm sick of counting to 6.
I felt like I should take it back in again before I call, but am not sure if that is going to achieve anything at this stage except the run around, havn't got the time for that at the moment.
By the look of the number of hits on this thread I can't help but wonder if Honda's people of influence are monitoring, if so they know about this

I think its the tyres but I'm no expert, I just hope that after we bring this common issue to their attention formally, that they might get back to us with a solution.

1- LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 13000 klm
2 - cgspot-06 Euro Sport (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 2400klm
3 - clowdz-06 Sports.(17" Bridgestone Potenza) Pulling Right day 1 1200KM's
4 - tanalasta - Euro Sport with (17" OEM Bridgestone) strong pull right 6300km
5 - V205 - 05 Lux (17" Bridgestone) , drift to the right, 9300km.
6 - Woogler - 06 Euro sports (17" bridgestone potenza's) Pulls right since day one! 2700km's now.
7 - Avid - 06 Euro (17" bridgestone potenza's) Pulls right 10,500klms

**avid** · 15-09-2006 07:49 AM

Anyone happen to have the right phone number direct to whichever section at Honda handles customer issues.We would be more effective if we all called the exact same people.
Even better still, if we had their email address(or the Honda Aus CEO's, lol)and followed up the call with an email letter,then that would be harder for them to go into denial mode.Has anyone ever been in contact with Honda via email? If you've got their address,how about posting it??
Just a final thought,i notice there seems to be no complaints from those Euro Lux owners who were lucky enough to get a car with the 17" Pirelli P Zero's !!!!!

**cgspot** · 15-09-2006 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by avid

Anyone happen to have the right phone number direct to whichever section at Honda handles customer issues.We would be more effective if we all called the exact same people.
Even better still, if we had their email address(or the Honda Aus CEO's, lol)and followed up the call with an email letter,then that would be harder for them to go into denial mode.Has anyone ever been in contact with Honda via email? If you've got their address,how about posting it??
Just a final thought,i notice there seems to be no complaints from those Euro Lux owners who were lucky enough to get a car with the 17" Pirelli P Zero's !!!!!

The only Customer service Freecall Number I know is 1800 804 954
Is this the best number to call?

**V205** · 15-09-2006 08:40 PM

Sounds to me like it may specificially be caused by the uni-directional RE040.

Has anyone here tried different tyres in 17" or 18" and the problem went away?

I sure miss the good old Yokohama A509.....

EDIT: Strange that none of the 16" owners have this issue... MUST BE THE TYRES!

**tony1234** · 15-09-2006 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by V205

Sounds to me like it may specificially be caused by the uni-directional RE040.

Has anyone here tried different tyres in 17" or 18" and the problem went away?

I sure miss the good old Yokohama A509.....

EDIT: Strange that none of the 16" owners have this issue... MUST BE THE TYRES!

I've changed my Bridgestones to Conti sport contact 2s from new.i now have 5900kms. on mine now and it doesn't drift at all!I think it's the tyres.I've never been a fan of bridgestones(mind you i'm no expert)you need to talk to a GOOD wheel aligner who knows his stuff.apparently you can adjust something (subframe!ithink)which can alter the way the car tracks.i don't know.Anyone in Sydney south i can give you a good contact for lowering and alignment etc.Tynan Tyres.Daniel.ph.95459333.these guys are really good.anyway.good luck to all of you with this problem.

**LXRY** · 17-09-2006 04:05 PM

Got my car back after the alignment(laser) told me was out by miles which didn't surprise me..as soon as i left the alignment place noticed steering wheel was at 12:10 went back to tell them they couldnt believe this they drove and checked it and i was right...they took it back again to fix this by putting it back on the machine...suppossedly fixed again, drove off again round the corner only to find steering wheel was not staright again, went back again still couldn't starighten it (steering still out, not by much but not staright) they couldn't explain to me why my steering waas out. And oh yeah still drifts to the right but not as bad. They also rotated my tires...called my honda dealer spoke to the sale rep who sold me the car explained to him what had happened in full detail told me to call on monday, said that they would look into it even if they had to get someone from honda aust. to come down. will post results of my alignment later on tonight as i'm very busy now sorry. emailing them is a good idea too as this is a hard copy and can't deny they got them....$110 down the drain....my dealers mechanic was right whaen he said it's not an alignment problem.....

**aaronng** · 17-09-2006 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by LXRY

Got my car back after the alignment(laser) told me was out by miles which didn't surprise me..as soon as i left the alignment place noticed steering wheel was at 12:10 went back to tell them they couldnt believe this they drove and checked it and i was right...they took it back again to fix this by putting it back on the machine...suppossedly fixed again, drove off again round the corner only to find steering wheel was not staright again, went back again still couldn't starighten it (steering still out, not by much but not staright) they couldn't explain to me why my steering waas out. And oh yeah still drifts to the right but not as bad. They also rotated my tires...called my honda dealer spoke to the sale rep who sold me the car explained to him what had happened in full detail told me to call on monday, said that they would look into it even if they had to get someone from honda aust. to come down. will post results of my alignment later on tonight as i'm very busy now sorry. emailing them is a good idea too as this is a hard copy and can't deny they got them....$110 down the drain....my dealers mechanic was right whaen he said it's not an alignment problem.....

At least your $110 got the attention of your dealer now.