Any Euro Eibach Pro-Kit users?

**trigger** · 30-06-2004 10:01 PM

I'm looking to purchase springs for my Euro soon. Any Pro-Kit users around? How much did the springs cost you? Also I'd like to know what camber kits are available as I will need it for the rear after lowering.

Thanks in advance

**EuroZ** · 01-07-2004 08:24 AM

I use a prokit. Purchased it directly from Eibach in Sydney ( 02 9999 3655 talk to Robert or Allan). Eibach will supply the springs but you ned to get someone to fit them. Any competent suspension place can do that. Eibach are definately the best springs to use. They are a cold wound spring and the way in which Eibach are manufactured allows them to use a thinner wire which when fitted to the car allows the car to retain almost all of the ride quailty of standard springs, but gives the benefit of lowering.
Camber kits are a bit of an issue, but there may be light at the end of the tunnel. KMac have what seems to be an eccentric bolt kit, but being a multi link rear end I am not sure how effective this would be. There is another company who are in the early stages of developing and adjustable linkage (probably top link similar to a Comptech style www.comptechusa.com Acura TSX). I spoke to them yesterday and fed them some information about issues with lowering Euro's. I will be in contact with them again to offer any more infromation as it comes to light so I will keep you all informed as soon as there is something concrete. This same company is also looking into rear swaybars and replacement shocks possibly Bilstein or Koni. The company is a very reputable suspension specialist so there will be no problems with quailty. These could be available in as soon as two weeks.
I am also communicating with a couple of businesses in the US about getting camber kits sent out. As recently as last night I received an email from one which looks pretty promising. They are able to supply me a Ingalls camber kit but I am going to do a bit more research to ensure these are compatible with our cars, and check out pricing.
As there are more developments I will keep you all informed.

**PERTH_EURO** · 01-07-2004 04:12 PM

Could someone please explain these issues with lowering the accords??

**EuroZ** · 01-07-2004 05:02 PM

The main issue is the fact that the Euro has a mulitlink rear end on it. If you have a look under the back of your Euro at the rear suspension you will see arms going everywhere. When the vehicle is lowered it introduces more negative camber. I haven't done too much research into why, but my guess would be that you are effectively shortening one the links and upsetting the geometry of the whole setup. This isn't peculiar to the Euro's, most cars with multilink rear ends have the same problem when they are lowered. From memory they run about -1 degree camber factory, but when mine was lowered it now runs about -2.5 degrees. This is quite significant and the tyres are already showing signs of significant camber wear after 10K klms, and in the long term this may cause a problem with wheel bearings. The problem may vary from car to car to some degree, but you are probably better off seriously considering a rear camber kit if you are going to lower a Euro. The front's don't have as much of an issue with this problem.

**yfin** · 01-07-2004 05:14 PM

Great post Euro Z. Thanks for taking to time to explain this.

**wynode** · 01-07-2004 05:48 PM

-1 from factory? Thats a lot!

**EuroZ** · 01-07-2004 08:36 PM

Yfin no worries

Yeh Wynode I know -1 degree seems excessive, but as I said I was working off my memory. As I work out more about the rear suspension I will put the info up here.

Here is a photo of my car which shows the difference in camber between the front and the rear wheels.

**PERTH_EURO** · 01-07-2004 10:57 PM

Yeh thanks alot for explaining. Nice picture, how much have you lowered the front?

I have lowered mine 35mm all round. Is that enough to cause problems??

I will have to ring the suspension shop. The package deal included full all wheel alignments. Wonder if that means to factory specs.

Very interesting!!

**wynode** · 01-07-2004 11:09 PM

Wheel alignment won't cover camber adjustment if it involves fitting a camber kit

**EuroZ** · 01-07-2004 11:35 PM

perth_euro: As I stated it has a Eibach Prokit which by the specs on their website states a drop of 40mm on the front and 35mm on the back. My car might be slightly different to these specs but it won't be much.
Here is another photo of my car from the side so you can see how much arch clearance there now is. I am also running 235/40/18 tyres which fills the guard just a little more. Am I right in assumming you are using 225/40/18's.

As wynode said the wheel alignment won't cover a camber kit. I would try and find out what the camber setting on the rear wheels are now though. If it wasn't recorded at the time of when your wheel alignment was done, it will have to go back onto the aligner and be checked. I wouldn't get my hopes up about this being done for free though.

**trigger** · 02-07-2004 01:51 AM

Thanks for the info EuroZ

So i'm assuming you're running a set of Pro-Kit WITHOUT a camber kit? I also emailed Eibach Australia and they said there is no camber solution available at this time. I then emailed Pedders and they said they can supply me a camber kit for $295. But they did not mention what brand is it so i'm wondering if it will fit. One thing that made me unsure is that the Pedders guy also asked me if my car is a V6 or I4 :x when i specifically told them it's an Accord Euro !

btw EuroZ did you find out where to get an Ingalls kit?

**wynode** · 02-07-2004 02:35 PM

I'd be weary of a Pedders camber kit. They probably don't even know that its multilink.

**PERTH_EURO** · 02-07-2004 02:47 PM

thanks EuroZ, yesterday was a long day. Sorry for not realising ur earlier post.

I have full printout of all settings, when I get back to perth ill check it out