Cammed Motors Specs + DYNO Graph Mandatory

[WIGGLE]

this is my mates eg sedan

before tuning and toda headers made 97kw rich as ...:thumbdwn:

Engine - JDM b18c type r
Displacement - stock
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - stockish
Gearbox - stock dc2r
I/H/E -comptech icebox, toda headers, dc2r exhaust system 2.25"
ECU - hondata s200

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7496/pic675oq8.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1797/pic676ea1.jpg

Nice gains with the toda headers and tune!

[EUR003act]

hey guys, was it in this thread that i read someone was running an RSP IM off the JDM FN2R?

ive tried searching but the ozhonda search is coming up with no results for RSP...

cheers

[TODA AU]

Dr Honda is using one...
I think it's better than an RBC.
It has removable trumpets inside too.

[DR HONDA]

hey guys, was it in this thread that i read someone was running an RSP IM off the JDM FN2R?

ive tried searching but the ozhonda search is coming up with no results for RSP...

cheers
It is a nice tunable manifold. Personally feel its the best honda has to offer so far for k series

[EG5]

It is a nice tunable manifold. Personally feel its the best honda has to offer so far for k series

Looks like its the best K series Intake manifold that Honda ever produce till today.

[xtercii]

How much is RSP IM?

[Benson]

RBC manifold has been proven to work well in stock engine set-ups.

[EUR003act]

Dr Honda is using one...
I think it's better than an RBC.
It has removable trumpets inside too.

It is a nice tunable manifold. Personally feel its the best honda has to offer so far for k series

cheers guys! anyone know if removing the trumpets increases top end power a lil? (it shortens he runners by about and inch or two)

or has DR honda only ran the RSP with the trumpets?


Looks like its the best K series Intake manifold that Honda ever produce till today.

yeah, i think the size of the plenum will add alot to the torque side of things...


How much is RSP IM?

theyre about USD$800 (AUD$1100)

im looking at trying one (im running a RBC on my K24/K20 frank atm)

[Benson]

Is a dyno chart to compare the stock dc5r manifold vs RBC vs RSP IM on a stock engine ?

[bennjamin]

Is a dyno chart to compare the stock dc5r manifold vs RBC vs RSP IM on a stock engine ?

if you refer to stock engine and ECU , one would assume the gains or differences would be small. Once tuned and running cams or pistons to suit the end result changes.

[EUR003act]

Is a dyno chart to compare the stock dc5r manifold vs RBC vs RSP IM on a stock engine ?

on the euro, going from RBB manifold to RBC saw approx 4-7kw gain atw accross nearly the whole rev range... this was with CAI, headers, exhaust and no tuning

[Chris_F]

I'll definitely have to look into a new intake manifold and throttle body down the line. I'll let you guys do the testing for me.. Thanks! ;)

[Benson]

on the euro, going from RBB manifold to RBC saw approx 4-7kw gain atw accross nearly the whole rev range... this was with CAI, headers, exhaust and no tuning

Was that with those supporting mods or just RBC upgrade showed 4-7kw gains?

[EUR003act]

Was that with those supporting mods or just RBC upgrade showed 4-7kw gains?

he had those mods... then got the RBC and got those gains... :thumbsup:

[Benson]

Awesome, someone just needs to try the new RSP IM and we got ourselves a comparison

[EUR003act]

Awesome, someone just needs to try the new RSP IM and we got ourselves a comparison

Let the testing begin...

LEFT= RBB --------- CENTRE= 1/2 RSP --------- RIGHT= RBC

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2574Medium.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2569Medium.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff128/eur003/DSCF2572Medium.jpg



Sorry i dont have the whole RSP yet, awaiting the bottom plenum...

[Chris_F]

awesome! the RSP definitely looks the best of the bunch. Looking forward to the results

[ZeForce]

awesome! the RSP definitely looks the best of the bunch. Looking forward to the results

Really? I would have said the RBC "looks" like it would perform best

[Benson]

we'll soon find out...

[delsol9000rpms]

i found an interesting thread on hondatech about the rsp manifold.. these pics are taken from the thread..

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5959/dscn1217mediumac0es6.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8617/dscn1221mediumtc8ll6.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/836/intakemani1vq5.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4557/intakemani2ai6.jpg

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/4828/dscn1210mediumwt6mr1.jpg

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1661/dscn1228mediumim5xk9.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4527/dscn1214mediumop5xe5.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2143/dscn1223mediumhk3pp6.jpg



heres the link

http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1536&page=2

[kraiye]

my money's on the RBB... just to be different ;)

[EUR003act]

my money's on the RBB... just to be different ;)

lol RBB = fail...

tried and tested

[kraiye]

pwnd
:(

[EUR003act]

pwnd
:(

haha sorry buddy lol

but yeah, RBB is only good for low end torque... :thumbsup:

[TODA AU]

Customer Car

Engine - Sleeved B18C + Ported P72 head
Displacement - 1933cc
Bore -84.00mm
Stroke - 87.20mm
CR - >12.8:1
Camshafts - TODA Racing
Camgear Settings - 105deg LCA (intake & exhaust)
Gearbox - DC2R + TODA 1st & 2nd + ATS final drive & Quaif LSD
I/H/E - Custom intake / Air pipe / BTCC carbon surge tank / Jenvey quad throttles,
TODA (designed) Australian made 4~2~1 Race header + custom cat back
ECU - HONDATA S300

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/1979ccB18C-halftunedat1628kw.jpg

The current state of tune has only been roughed out.
A few changes are to be made in key areas of system before final tune.
More torque & a little more power is expected on completion.
Fuel type used is 98 RON pump gas from BP.
Switch to E85 fuel is also likley in the future. ;)

[felixR]

wow impressive!

[richy]

what a beast!!! can't wait to see the final tune result

[delsol9000rpms]

fcuk ye

[fatboyz39]

WOW nice power. Looks like a carbon copy of the engine in Workshop's race car.

[delsol9000rpms]

no mate theres loads of diffrences...

adrian is this a circuit or drag car? or none lol?

[dsp26]

lol Adrian.. i can't catalogue that on the first page... is the cam a new spec or is it a secret for this car?

that engine bay is sexy though :)

[kraiye]

lol Adrian.. i can't catalogue that on the first page... is the cam a new spec or is it a secret for this car?

that engine bay is sexy though :)
doesn't anyone else have skunk2's i can compare with :(

[DNYALL]

lol Adrian.. i can't catalogue that on the first page... is the cam a new spec or is it a secret for this car?

that engine bay is sexy though :)

sounds like a beast!! sexy bay...show us some pics?? come on give us a sticky beak :p

[dsp26]

first post updated... seems i missed a few with the random k series IM talk....

i would've thought there were more cammed K series around??

[Slaz]

Be interesting how much extra can be squeezed out of it considering its output now.

On the dyno on a day cooler then 42 degrees would have to help also.

Cant wait for the results. :thumbsup:

[DR HONDA]

Another high output from Toda AU. Well done Mr Norton :thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

for those interested in the RBB/RBC/RSP differences, heres some stats and pics:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2101809&postcount=565

[DR HONDA]

for those interested in the RBB/RBC/RSP differences, heres some stats and pics:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2101809&postcount=565
Great work on the research. Im happy to do a comparison if someone can supply an RBC and pay for dyno time at Toda AU

[Benson]

Engine - Stock sleeves B20b8 Block + Stock ITR port head (supertech valve train)
Displacement - 1996.63cc
Bore -84.5mm
Stroke - Stock B20
CR - 11.52:1
Camshafts - Rocket M22x
Camgear Settings -secret
Gearbox - B16a with 4.9 Final Drive
I/H/E - TWM ITBS 50mm/Budget Big Tube 4-2-1/2.5inch Headers back
ECU - HONDATA S200

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/fatboyz39/B20vtec.jpg

Note:

Base tune
E85 fuel
Motor makes more power with less timing in the tune :eek:
New Headers to go on SSR
New ECU Vi-pec
Stay tuned for more details once final tune is done :thumbsup:

[delsol9000rpms]

is this your motor for the supersprints? the one you made a p[ost about? or is this anotehr one?

[Benson]

Yes this will be motor that will be used for this year supersprint. The B18c had a set back so that will be finished mid this year. The B20 is just as good, if not better

[dsp26]

i think this thread would be mighty relevant so i ask....


does anyone have a dyno sheet of a blocked cat? doesn't matter what cams it has... it would be interesting to see what the powerband drop off is like....

[delsol9000rpms]

[

***DSP26's notes***

after spending $XXXX amount to get my car running, I understand now that those who were saying get a better Final Drive ratio are correct as it moves the entire powerband across to the left. Only reason i don't regret this build was coz my engine needed it... but in terms of first performance mod, final drive is better!!

I just discovered my gearbox has had a 4.266 final drive all along The gearbox is a Y21 aswell so thats odd.... Its funny considering how torquey it was for a b16 and how well the car went for what it was.... Would of been interesting to see how it would of went on what it was suppose to be (4.4 FD).. oh well ill never know.. i upgraded to an Mfactory 4.928... we will see how it goes.. im excited:cool:

[VTi_b0i]

C[SIZE=2]
Gearbox - DC2R + TODA 1st & 2nd + ATS final drive & Quaif LSD


i dont suppose you have the standard ITR 1st, and 2nd, final drive and LSD?

[dsp26]

I just discovered my gearbox has had a 4.266 final drive all along The gearbox is a Y21 aswell so thats odd.... Its funny considering how torquey it was for a b16 and how well the car went for what it was.... Would of been interesting to see how it would of went on what it was suppose to be (4.4 FD).. oh well ill never know.. i upgraded to an Mfactory 4.928... we will see how it goes.. im excited:cool:

how did you get that? or all Y21's have it? i'm guessing for JDM/AUDM version... coz the american online calculators have the Y21 as 4.4fd

[delsol9000rpms]

dont ask man. There are rare y21 gearboxs which come with 4.2s but ye thats very odd

[delsol9000rpms]

Engine - Stock B16a2
Displacement - Stock
Bore -Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - Less than 10.9:1
Camshafts - TODA SPEC C's
Camgear Settings - As Per cam card
Vtec X Over- Like 6800-7000rpm
Gearbox - Y21 B16a with 4.9 Final Drive
I/H/E - ITR IM +65mm TB/5Zigen 4-2-1/2.5inch Headers back
ECU - HONDATA S300

The spike is supposedly from the new Intake being abit too long.. oh well!

This is from stock to now

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3200/scan0001kce.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0001kce.jpg)

[lil_foy]

Engine - Stock B16a2
Displacement - Stock
Bore -Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - Less than 10.9:1
Camshafts - TODA SPEC C's
Camgear Settings - As Per cam card
Vtec X Over- Like 6800-7000rpm
Gearbox - Y21 B16a with 4.9 Final Drive
I/H/E - ITR IM +65mm TB/5Zigen 4-2-1/2.5inch Headers back
ECU - HONDATA S300

The spike is supposedly from the new Intake being abit too long.. oh well!

This is from stock to now

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3200/scan0001kce.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0001kce.jpg)


How's the lowend power?
Can you get a video of it?

[delsol9000rpms]

awesome low end power :thumbsup: alot more then stock... very punchy!

[lil_foy]

Good stuff, whats the redline set at?

Are you just using factory pistons and a unmilled head?

Also can you get like a 2nd and 3rd gear pull on video please :)

Thanks, much appreciated.

[delsol9000rpms]

rev limit is set at like 9000rpms.

Stock bottom end but just a milled head to increase the compression a little bit.

I dont have any recent 2nd-3rd pull as i used to have a 4.266 final drive now i have a 4.928 MFactory FD.. When i get a video ill post it up.

[lil_foy]

Ahh so you'd gain abit of bottom end in butt dyno from the 4.9 fd.
Thanks for that, really appreciate it.

[delsol9000rpms]

even without the 4.9 FD the bottom end was really good.. The 4.9 FD is mostly noticed on WOT

[lil_foy]

Whats your max speeds like now?

You'd be reving preety hard correct?

[Benson]

Seems like promising dyno reults. Get it down the 1/4 mile and run some good numbers

[delsol9000rpms]

Thats the plan! All should be good

[Benson]

B20vtec (green) vs B18c7 with cams/i/h/e +tune (pink)

Engine - B16a/B20 Hybrid
Displacement - 2.0l
Bore -84mm
Stroke - 89mm
CR - less than 10:1
Camshafts - Stock
Camgear Settings - Stock
Vtec X Over- 4000 rpm
Gearbox - Stock B16a Ek4
I/H/E - Stock b16a2 IM and T/B, Spoolin Performance headers, custom 2.5inch zorst
ECU - Crome ECU Tuned by Dave

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/fatboyz39/IMGP0500.jpg

[ZeForce]

Nice comparison :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[vinnY]

nice curve on that pink line ;)

[Benson]

Pink has a nice curve but green is better :p

This graph is just showing how displacement differs in a honda motor with slightly less bolt-on mods and compression. :)

[EG5]

No replacement for displacement :thumbsup:

[Slaz]

There's that yank influence talking right there. jk. :p

[grumpy rooster]

The B20 would kick the B18C's arse in the mid range. It would be like driving 2 totally different cars. There is 15kw at the wheels difference in some areas. That is a huge.

[kraiye]

Engine - Stock B16a2
Displacement - Stock
Bore -Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - Less than 10.9:1
Camshafts - TODA SPEC C's
Camgear Settings - As Per cam card
Vtec X Over- Like 6800-7000rpm
Gearbox - Y21 B16a with 4.9 Final Drive
I/H/E - ITR IM +65mm TB/5Zigen 4-2-1/2.5inch Headers back
ECU - HONDATA S300

The spike is supposedly from the new Intake being abit too long.. oh well!

This is from stock to now



v nice.
how does it go keeping it in vtec with such a high crossover?

[delsol9000rpms]

v nice.
how does it go keeping it in vtec with such a high crossover?

good shifting will keep it in vtec every gear... if someone was to jump in and drive it for the first time they'll most probably drop out on 2nd to 3rd shift.

[STiR]

Engine - JDM B18CR
Displacement - stock
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - Buddy Club Spec III
Camgear Settings -
VTEC X-Over - ~6000 rpm
Gearbox - EK9 with ATS gear-set and 4.9FD
I/H/E - CDA airbox into OER ITBs/J's Racing 4-2-1/Custom B-pipe (metal cat) + Mugen twinloop
ECU - MoTeC M400 tuned by Paul Flourentzou

Note: With this set up, no power gain found in removing airbox or by replacing twin-loop with 2.5inch straight pipe (possibly if engine is modified further there may be?)

http://gallery.me.com/sti8/100011/CivicDyno1%20001_1/web.jpg?ver=12392350080001

[lil_foy]

Wow! nice power curve

[timofytit]

Engine - K20
Displacement - 2150cc
Bore - Toda Racing
Stroke - Toda Racing
CR - High
Camshaft - Toda Racing
Camgear Settings - Toda Racing
VTEC X-Over - 5700
Gearbox - Stock 6
I/H/E - Gruppe M/Toda Racing ITB's/Toda Racing
ECU - KPRO

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr314/timofytit/DynoChart1.jpg

[delsol9000rpms]

this car would pull like a truck:) Lots of torque for fifth gear :thumbsup:

[94vtirozguy]

^^^ nice output but would have been nice to see how the dyno was caliberated so we can get true indication....

[timofytit]

^^^ nice output but would have been nice to see how the dyno was caliberated so we can get true indication....

Do you need glasses? cant you read!

I do have a fair bit of faith in Toda. But there was a crap load of wheel spin.....maybe it would be higher

[dsp26]

good thread gents... sorry been missing, updated first thread for catalogue purposes.



is there anyway we can keep the img's somewhere else so they don't actually disappear?

[CRXer]

is there anyway we can keep the img's somewhere else so they don't actually disappear?

yup,the OP should copy & keep & look after his/her own thread,good idea???

maybe talk to the OP ron............oh wait..............its u:p

[94vtirozguy]

Do you need glasses? cant you read!

I do have a fair bit of faith in Toda. But there was a crap load of wheel spin.....maybe it would be higher

yeah i do have glasses. nowhere does it say shootout mode, ramp rate etc etc. In another thread it also states Toda dyno reads high thats why i asked

[Benson]

dyno numbers are irrelevant... take it down the 1/4 mile and run some mph

[timofytit]

dyno numbers are irrelevant... take it down the 1/4 mile and run some mph

Sounds like a good idea james. I got other dyno sheets, but not sure which ones ozhonda are after, maybe Adrian should post them. But i do know that the track times are incredible up here in queensland. I would think if the dyno was done in 5th gear the readings would be lower than what they should be, who knows. Is 'one to pin' one of the highest powered k21.5 in aus?

[Benson]

doesnt much difference if its done in 5th or 4th, only 1-2kw differences. Yes even tho you can improve in your track time, you'll be curious to know what mph it can pull down the 1/4 mile

I guess ppl with high dyno numbers have some kind of bragging rights over their big build to justify the money spent.

Yes your car is probably one of the highest. i woiuld of still would of opted for a k24 bottom end (drh 195kw?)

[EG5]

doesnt much difference if its done in 5th or 4th, only 1-2kw differences. Yes even tho you can improve in your track time, you'll be curious to know what mph it can pull down the 1/4 mile

I guess ppl with high dyno numbers have some kind of bragging rights over their big build to justify the money spent.

Yes your car is probably one of the highest. i woiuld of still would of opted for a k24 bottom end (drh 195kw?)

DRHONDA k24 = 198kw@wheels.
121mph down the 1/4 mile
Big respect for that :thumbsup:

[fatboyz39]

DRHONDA k24 = 198kw@wheels.
121mph down the 1/4 mile
Big respect for that :thumbsup:

Crazy shit!

[2002 TeGgY]

doesnt much difference if its done in 5th or 4th, only 1-2kw differences. Yes even tho you can improve in your track time, you'll be curious to know what mph it can pull down the 1/4 mile

I guess ppl with high dyno numbers have some kind of bragging rights over their big build to justify the money spent.

Yes your car is probably one of the highest. i woiuld of still would of opted for a k24 bottom end (drh 195kw?)

as yonas said, phill's car produced 198kwatw...most powerfull NA k in aus.

as for the reason why people would go the 2.2 stroker over the k24 bottom, is that its a very strong/reliable engine with a power curve suited for the track (thats what i've been told anyway)...

[fatboyz39]

as yonas said, phill's car produced 198kwatw...most powerfull NA k in aus.

as for the reason why people would go the 2.2 stroker over the k24 bottom, is that its a very strong/reliable engine with a power curve suited for the track (thats what i've been told anyway)...

I would go 2.4L anyday! I raced with the K24 (complete stock k24) at eastern creek for 6-10lap constantly on the rev limiter and it just loves it. If your car aint a dedicated race car or endurance race car k24 all the way.

abit ot but here is a short clip...gota love 6 speed gearbox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm79CW-O7nQ&feature=channel_page

[Benson]

IMO the k24 is much cheaper engine to build and plus you can get the same if not more result with the same amount of $$$ spent on a stroker kit.

Check out the K24 powered Time Attack Civic in the states... simple build and quick

[Limbo]

i believe toda tuned that one also?


DRHONDA k24 = 198kw@wheels.
121mph down the 1/4 mile
Big respect for that :thumbsup:

[Benson]

i believe toda tuned that one also?

DRH built that motor and its his own package

[timofytit]

This is getting very political, but here are the results from my first ever time at lakeside. The times do show results. http://www.qldraceways.com.au/Administration/results/2009LakesideOpenSprintSeriesforweb.pdf

[delsol9000rpms]

Benson give it a rest. Timmy never mind man you know how much of a difference your car is now compared to before. From the looks of things you are happy and you are whooping ass! Isnt that all that matters?

If it were up to Benson, buying Toda parts or just associating with TODA will be a criminal offense.


Dont start this shit again

Get back on topic!

[Benson]

This is getting very political, but here are the results from my first ever time at lakeside. The times do show results. http://www.qldraceways.com.au/Administration/results/2009LakesideOpenSprintSeriesforweb.pdf

Thats good to hear Tim. But its just for people who might be curious to know what MPH the car can run. Noone is dissing your build or engine package. Its just a good comparison to other Kseries engine builds.

It will also be a good indication to help people decide on such a build depedning on budget and etc.

And delsol9000rpm grow up:thumbdwn:

[Nepolian]

Back on topic!

Engine - K20A
Displacement - 2.0
Bore - Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - Stock
Camshaft - Toda
VTEC X-Over - 5800 I think

This run with;

Stock airbox (unmodded) with stock air filter, aftermarket cams, headers and 2.5" exhaust.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2janc47.jpg

[delsol9000rpms]

nice power :thumbsup: What spec cams are you running?


Benson you need a reality check :thumbdwn:

[dsp26]

^^^as said.. i've noticed a few Kseries dyno slips now with "Toda" cams... we need to know exactly which ones fellas.. unless it's a secret new grind

[timofytit]

^^^as said.. i've noticed a few Kseries dyno slips now with "Toda" cams... we need to know exactly which ones fellas.. unless it's a secret new grind

This is the final word from the shit layed on my builds dyno results! If you can win a trophy at superlap, step up and show it, if you can be 2.8s behind a porsche carrera cup race car at lakeside, then step up. I have always been a really strong ozhonda supporter, wear the shirts, and the prints on the car. Where is your respect!!

Results are on www.queenslandraceway.com.au

2 race meets with the Toda Built Engine, 2 wins. Both wins are greater than 2 seconds per lap. Step up keyboard warriors.

[dsp26]

^^^erm was that aimed at me? no disrespect here... as the thread starter i clearly stated in the first post that this thread was about powerband and cams. Unlike the other dyno threads the purpose of this thread is to give build starters an idea of which cams will provide the powerband they want.

Now if you wanna be the one disrespecting this thread then delete your posts here and post them up in the many dyno brags threads. There are many combined members contributing in this thread that far outweigh what support to ozhonda you think you provide

[STiR]

This is the final word from the shit layed on my builds dyno results! If you can win a trophy at superlap, step up and show it, if you can be 2.8s behind a porsche carrera cup race car at lakeside, then step up. I have always been a really strong ozhonda supporter, wear the shirts, and the prints on the car. Where is your respect!!

Results are on www.queenslandraceway.com.au

2 race meets with the Toda Built Engine, 2 wins. Both wins are greater than 2 seconds per lap. Step up keyboard warriors.

I'm sure your car is quick, but double check I think it was a GT3 RS NOT a cup car...

[DNYALL]

GT3 RS/ cup car :S sounds liike the dc5 is damn quick regardless :thumbsup:

[STiR]

One is a road car, one is a full on race car, big difference.

[B18cEG]

This is the final word from the shit layed on my builds dyno results! If you can win a trophy at superlap, step up and show it, if you can be 2.8s behind a porsche carrera cup race car at lakeside, then step up. I have always been a really strong ozhonda supporter, wear the shirts, and the prints on the car. Where is your respect!!

Results are on www.queenslandraceway.com.au

2 race meets with the Toda Built Engine, 2 wins. Both wins are greater than 2 seconds per lap. Step up keyboard warriors.

Wtf mate! not everything is about u, relaaaaaaaaxxxx

[94vtirozguy]

Back on topic!

Engine - Stock K20A
Displacement - 2.0
Bore - Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - Stock
Camshaft - Toda
VTEC X-Over - 5800 I think

This run with;

Stock airbox (unmodded) with stock air filter, aftermarket cams, headers and 2.5" exhaust.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2janc47.jpg

how can the engine be stock if you are running a toda cam ?

[dsp26]

^^^oh and while you answer it Nepolian can you please advise which Toda cam it is as well. Thanks :)

[2002 TeGgY]

how can the engine be stock if you are running a toda cam ?

i think Nepolian meant to say stock bottom end...

[Nepolian]

Thanks 2002TeGgY! Atleast some of us here think before we type!

WTF is wrong with you guy's??

Its obvious that I am running Toda cams as I stated it on atleast two occasions.

"SORRY" if I have mistakely typed in stock in front of my engine spec!

If people spend more time making an actual contribution rather than pick on every error anyone makes, we may have a decent thread and not one full of crap!

Further more, Tim was simply making a statement that his car was 2.8 seconds off the pace of a Porsche.........who gives a toss if it was a GT3 RS or a cup car, seriosly????.......look at the numbers he's getting on the dyno and track, he does not really need to prove his worth down the 1/4 as people who walk the talk know thats a easy low 12 on a decent run!

For the record, I'm running C spec cams and I'm sick of the keyboard warriors here who know and do JS!

[YBOOST]

hey nepolian you got some decent power there mate. well done!
just a question, are you running K PRO ecu? did you do a before and after power run on the dyno with the cams?

[Benson]

Can you please explain the flat spot between 52kph and 80kph?

[destrukshn]

DRH built that motor and its his own package
but adrian at toda had tuned it.
limbo didn't say anything about building it?

[Benson]

but adrian at toda had tuned it.
limbo didn't say anything about building it?

Yeh i agree...

But a tune doesnt net his high power output. Its the combo of parts used to achieve his power output.

No-one is bagging out Adrians tune, but give credit to the builder and parts used.

[destrukshn]

Yeh i agree...

But a tune doesnt net his high power output. Its the combo of parts used to achieve his power output.

No-one is bagging out Adrians tune, but give credit to the builder and parts used.
credit is there.
but i would believe it would be a combination of both, that has made what the car is at this point.

[dsp26]

Nepolian, yours has been added.

just noticed theres no H series yet? even stockers for standard or type s/euro?

[Nepolian]

hey nepolian you got some decent power there mate. well done!
just a question, are you running K PRO ecu? did you do a before and after power run on the dyno with the cams?

Yeah, there was a massive gain as high as 17kw between 5-7. Dont have the graph with me tho. Will get it next time I'm over at Toda.

[timofytit]

Thanks 2002TeGgY! Atleast some of us here think before we type!

WTF is wrong with you guy's??

Its obvious that I am running Toda cams as I stated it on atleast two occasions.

"SORRY" if I have mistakely typed in stock in front of my engine spec!

If people spend more time making an actual contribution rather than pick on every error anyone makes, we may have a decent thread and not one full of crap!

Further more, Tim was simply making a statement that his car was 2.8 seconds off the pace of a Porsche.........who gives a toss if it was a GT3 RS or a cup car, seriosly????.......look at the numbers he's getting on the dyno and track, he does not really need to prove his worth down the 1/4 as people who walk the talk know thats a easy low 12 on a decent run!

For the record, I'm running C spec cams and I'm sick of the keyboard warriors here who know and do JS!

Nice power considering the minimal work done. I guess quality parts and a good tuner do help.

[Benson]

Engine - H22a Type S
Displacement - 2.2
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - 4000rpm
Gearbox - 4.7 ITR
I/H/E -Budget 4-1 (US brand), Custom CAI with Blox Filter, 3inch
ECU - Crome Tuned by Dave

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/fatboyz39/IMGP0501.jpg'

[DR HONDA]

Nice results go the JDM H22A. They are a good torquey motor but limited quality after market parts availability :thumbsup:

[WhiteRice]

Nice results go the JDM H22A. They are a good torquey motor but limited quality after market parts availability :thumbsup:

Umm.. you can get pretty much any engine component you want aftermarket... if you look hard for it, and you have sufficient capital outlay...

If my car ever arrives I'll post up a nice H22 graph for you

[delsol9000rpms]

Engine - b18c7
Displacement - Stock
Bore - Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - Stock
Camshaft - Stock
Camgear Settings - Stock
VTEC X-Over - 5800
Gearbox - S80 ITR 4.785 (Stock)
I/H/E -Plazmaman CAI/5zigen Headers/2.5inch Mandrel bent exhaust.
ECU - Hondata S200 (Tuned by Adrian From TODA Racing)


Comments: Red Line was a completely Stock b18c7 Engine... Blue line is after adding H/E + Tuning

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4425/louieegb18c7k.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=louieegb18c7k.jpg)

[CRXer]

^^^was that mitchells car?

weird set of road speeds for 3rd gear 4.7 box,more like a 4.4........

was the before on stock ecu or s200 with previous tune?

[jdm18c]

na not my car jase,
the car did have the s200 but only had a base tune
yea its got the 4.7 ratio, it looks weird cause of his coilovers

[CRXer]

what u guys got a EGc7s200 club going out your way or somethin?

just goes to show how conservative the hondata base maps are

still reckon its a 4.4 though,was he running out to 9+krpm or 19" wheels or similar?

[jdm18c]

na its cause of his coilovers!

[delsol9000rpms]

its a 4.7 gearbox and all runs were in 4th gear.

[pengpeng]

Engine - B18C7
Displacement - 1.8L
Bore - Standard
Stroke - Standard
CR - 12.5:1
Camshaft - Skunk 2 Pro 3
Camgear Settings - Standard
VTEC X-Over - 6,500
Gearbox - Standard
I/H/E -Standard/5zigen/Ebay 2.5"
ECU - S300

http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q203/zhipenghe/dyno.jpg

I would like to receive comments. thanks.

[Benson]

Engine - B18C7
Displacement - 1.8L
Bore - Standard
Stroke - Standard
CR - 12.5:1
Camshaft - Skunk 2 Pro 3
Camgear Settings - Standard
VTEC X-Over - 6,500
Gearbox - Standard
I/H/E -Standard/5zigen/Ebay 2.5"
ECU - S300

http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q203/zhipenghe/dyno.jpg

I would like to receive comments. thanks.

Since you asked for comments, i reckon its a poor effort. Bad combo of parts and a standard motor with bolt-ons will make more power than your motor with less CR and less agressive cams

I reckon you need to rethink about the engine combo and go from there. This is a good example of more CR and bigger CAMS not working well together. Remember its the combo of parts used!

Hope i didnt sound to mean

[ZeForce]

I would have thought that those skunk2 pro3 cams would carry torque well over 9k rpm

[fatboyz39]

skunk2 pro 3 will work with like a 85mm x 95mm (2.2L) high comp with extensive head work.

Not a bad effort with the above dyno graph.

[ZeForce]

skunk2 pro 3 will work with like a 85mm x 95mm (2.2L) high comp with extensive head work.

Not a bad effort with the above dyno graph.

Normally see them being used with 13.5+ compression as well

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=4558&p=25543

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3787&p=22826

[TODA AU]

FWIW, Peng's car will make more power with a better intake & cat.
That is remove the factory airbox & filter & replace it with something better. (Injen, AEM, Mugen etc...)
The cat is still a ceramic unit also, there's probably a bit of power hiding here too.
The cam timing, though on zero's seems to be pretty much right with a clean smooth Vtec swap @ 6500rpm. (which is odd)
As a side note, if I was to guess the cam spec by how it tuned, rather than be told what they were...
To be honest I would have guessed them as Pro 1's rather than Pro 3's.
Just by the charaterisic of the output more than anything else.
That said, we've never seen Pro 3's used in this type of combination previously.

Other notes of interest,
We've never really seen more than 120~122kw @ the wheels using the OEM DC2 airbox.
Changing the filter to a high flow item does little or nothing to improve this due to proximity of filter to airbox inner surface.

[Benson]

Why would someone build something like this and use an OEM airbox and a crappy exhaust system?

[Limbo]

i've seen a turbo setup with a GT2860RS, full custom kit and only have a stock exhaust when dynoing
Go fig some people dun seem to care

[Benson]

i've seen a turbo setup with a GT2860RS, full custom kit and only have a stock exhaust when dynoing
Go fig some people dun seem to care

I guess those ppl dont have a brain

[B18cEG]

I was gonna add something to that last dyno post yesterday but thought not but since everyone else did, I would have expected much more that that from a pro3'd b18c7 with 12.5:1cr. Why put the motor together, are you 100% sure of the cr and the cams used? also it says u got s300 (is it untuned or wat???) Give us a reply peng.

Cheers.

[TODA AU]

I guess those ppl dont have a brain
Bit aggressive there Benny... Ease up...

I was gonna add something to that last dyno post yesterday but thought not but since everyone else did, I would have expected much more that that from a pro3'd b18c7 with 12.5:1cr. Why put the motor together, are you 100% sure of the cr and the cams used? also it says u got s300 (is it untuned or wat???) Give us a reply peng.

Cheers.
Don't take this the wrong way,
I think your expectation is likely based on your assumption or hope that Pro 3 cams are capable of huge power gains over stock.
Reality is, in the guise of the engine shown they are probably not an ideal cam choice.
The results Peng has shown is current best power after tuning.
Now if you think you can do a better tuning job tuning the same combination.. Hey, I'm all ears...
If not, maybe don't be so critical & look at the whole picture rather than just one small part of it.

As for discrediting or paying out on Peng,
C'mon guys, lay off a bit & take this thread for what it is, informative...
Peng has shown his results so others can learn from it. (Good or bad)
Sure, his combination isn't ideal...
But he hasn't tried to hide that either.
To his credit, it's something he built at home with a friend.
& like it or not, it's still a lot better than many on this forum can do themselves...

[B18cEG]

na na its not that i think i can do a better tuning job or that im paying out on peng, its just that i have seen bolt-on, tuned b18c7's make roughly the same power as this. Its true that the intake is shit, especially for what hes got but that should be an easy fix, even some bent pipe and pod would do a better job. All im saying is that he could have spent alot less money and made roughly the same power, he did ask for coments so these are the coments.

Peng, try set urself up with a better intake system, Where did u get the cams and pistons, just to make sure, who knows, maybe the person that sold them to you thought they were pro3's but then again im not sure of how or were they were bought, and adrian im sure you know that this setup theoretially should make at least a little more power.

[fatboyz39]

Pro1's would be on the mark.

[pengpeng]

hi all, after a long day of work, im very glad to see this many responses to my post. very appreciated for this.
thank you guys

[pengpeng]

Why would someone build something like this and use an OEM airbox and a crappy exhaust system?

because im not as smart as you Benny.:o
if I was good enough to put a V10 F1 engine in my shitty civic, you wouldn't have a chance to speak would ya? I would say "why would someone put a 150kw kinder garten B20 in a civic?"
so please do not always judge things at your own level, remember, everything has a reason for being done, so respect to people's choices. ;)

[pengpeng]

As for discrediting or paying out on Peng,
C'mon guys, lay off a bit & take this thread for what it is, informative...
Peng has shown his results so others can learn from it. (Good or bad)
Sure, his combination isn't ideal...
But he hasn't tried to hide that either.
To his credit, it's something he built at home with a friend.
& like it or not, it's still a lot better than many on this forum can do themselves...[/FONT]

for some of the guys who has a BRAIN, please think wiser like Adrian.: thumbsup:

[Nepolian]

I'd like to see a stock B18C run super imposed over pengspengs. Not a real expert on B18C's but pengpeng's mid range looks alot better than most mildly modded B18's....to me anyway!

Not trying to shit stir here, but if you compare it to delsol9000's graphs (B18C with what I would consider std motor with good bolt-ons) it not really that bad, nice smooth power delivery without waiting for the vtec to kick in :)

My 2c's anyway!

[Benson]

because im not as smart as you Benny.:o
if I was good enough to put a V10 F1 engine in my shitty civic, you wouldn't have a chance to speak would ya? I would say "why would someone put a 150kw kinder garten B20 in a civic?"
so please do not always judge things at your own level, remember, everything has a reason for being done, so respect to people's choices. ;)

You asked for comments, so i gave some. I didnt want to sound rude, but come on, if you build the engine, you need to finish it properly. You may as well not tune it until everything is done (All at least the intake and exhaust gets done). Clearly you will waste more money getting it retune with a new intake and exhaust system

Then again, its your money. Im just pointing out the most efficient way of doing things. Its up to you if you want to take those constructive advice and use them

[pengpeng]

I was gonna add something to that last dyno post yesterday but thought not but since everyone else did, I would have expected much more that that from a pro3'd b18c7 with 12.5:1cr. Why put the motor together, are you 100% sure of the cr and the cams used? also it says u got s300 (is it untuned or wat???) Give us a reply peng.

Cheers.

yes mate, Im sure about the spec of my engine, because I tightened every bolt and nut by myself under my friend's guidiance, Pistons and con rods a forged and I put everything in with my own hands, machine work has been done at an engineering shop in accordance to the piston's specification, bearing clearances and torque specs to honda's specification.
Initially I had CTR CAMs but later on I found a good package on ebay with SK2 cams, valve springs and titanium retainers for a good price. this is the reason why they're in the engine now.
however, those Pro cams made more torque at low end thus more drivability for everyday driving. I haven't regret about putting them in.
and yes, I am running on S300 and it's been tuned by Adrian on saturday, im pretty happy with the improvement comparing to when it was not tuned. eventhough it doesn's make much top-end power, but over all it's very smooth.

[Benson]

Bit aggressive there Benny... Ease up...



Not at all agressive Adrian. If i was peng, i would of done the usual bolt-ons on a standard ITR motor and make 120-130kw depending if your smart at what bolt-ons you decide. Then from there, if you want more mid range, maybe change the bottom end (2.0l). Or if you dont want to change the bottom end because your in love with the b18c bottom end, add a set of entry level CAMS and get a set of quality ITB's.

At the end of the day, I just hate to see guys wasting all this money for little result. They seems to have no power goal set and budget!

[pengpeng]

You asked for comments, so i gave some. I didnt want to sound rude, but come on, if you build the engine, you need to finish it properly. You may as well not tune it until everything is done (All at least the intake and exhaust gets done). Clearly you will waste more money getting it retune with a new intake and exhaust system

Then again, its your money. Im just pointing out the most efficient way of doing things. Its up to you if you want to take those constructive advice and use them

benny, thanks for your advice, but can you justify how your way is the most efficient way of doing things? I would like to learn more.. :D

[Benson]

I'd like to see a stock B18C run super imposed over pengspengs. Not a real expert on B18C's but pengpeng's mid range looks alot better than most mildly modded B18's....to me anyway!




Dyno charts and numbers are nothing if it can't be backed up with MPH down the 1/4mile

[pengpeng]

Not at all agressive Adrian. If i was peng, i would of done the usual bolt-ons on a standard ITR motor and make 120-130kw depending if your smart at what bolt-ons you decide. Then from there, if you want more mid range, maybe change the bottom end (2.0l). Or if you dont want to change the bottom end because your in love with the b18c bottom end, add a set of entry level CAMS and get a set of quality ITB's.

At the end of the day, I just hate to see guys wasting all this money for little result. They seems to have no power goal set and budget!

benny, again, not everyone love B20s.

[Benson]

Noone likes the B20vtec because they tend to break easily as many would say. Our B20 on stock sleeves has done over 8 days at the circuit with over 350 dyno pulls all the way to 9400rpm. If its weak it would of broken already!

[vinnY]

i think benson's just getting at money well spent is just better than money thrown in without the expected results

now to kick it back on topic

Engine - b18c7
Displacement - stock
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - buddyclub spec3+
Camgear Settings - aem cam gears, both set at 0deg
VTEC X-Over - stock
Gearbox - stock
I/H/E - 3" pipe with blox filter+velo stack, jdm 4-1, mugen twinloop
ECU - chipped p06(iirc) tuned with crome

for comparison sake, check out benson's (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2187850&postcount=307) post earlier in the thread when he puts a b20vtak up against my b18 on the same dyno

http://6ixx.net/misc/DSC_8265.jpg

[Benson]

B20vtec (green) vs B18c7 with cams/i/h/e +tune (pink)

Engine - B16a/B20 Hybrid
Displacement - 2.0l
Bore -84mm
Stroke - 89mm
CR - less than 10:1
Camshafts - Stock
Camgear Settings - Stock
Vtec X Over- 4000 rpm
Gearbox - Stock B16a Ek4
I/H/E - Stock b16a2 IM and T/B, Spoolin Performance headers, custom 2.5inch zorst
ECU - Crome ECU Tuned by Dave

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/fatboyz39/IMGP0500.jpg

Check out the difference!

[B20NA]

Since you asked for comments, i reckon its a poor effort. Bad combo of parts and a standard motor with bolt-ons will make more power than your motor with less CR and less agressive cams

I reckon you need to rethink about the engine combo and go from there. This is a good example of more CR and bigger CAMS not working well together. Remember its the combo of parts used!

Hope i didnt sound to mean



With your CR , these cams should work fine, i think you need to add a good CAI and maybe match port your intake manifold to your header's, to get the best performance from your CR and cams, headwork must be carried out as i belive you head is restricting your flow with this combo.
Also ill look into a metal cat and a better exhaust system with a straight through muffler ( xforce)

With HIGH COMP ENGINES and AGGRESSIVE CAMS you need HEADWORK

[moo moo nel]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/fatboyz39/IMGP0500.jpg

what kind of stein is it on your dyno paper? :eek:

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

[geeang]

Bump this shiz up!

Engine - JDM B18CR
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - 4800rpm
Gearbox - B16A + 4.9 Final Drive + Quaife LSD
I/H/E - A-sport ITB's, Buddyclub Headers, Mugen Twinloop muffler w/ T1R B-pipe
ECU - Hondata S200 tuned by Dave + Scott @ Insight Motorsports (legends!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/viet_mafia/_DSC7400.jpg

And a comparison of the same engine, but with stock DC2R intake manifold + larger throttle body instead of ITB's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/viet_mafia/_DSC7403.jpg

As you can see, with the ITB's it loses out on power at 8000rpm of about 5kws (can be fixed with cams/gears) but the midrange gains almost 20kw!

The car was OK with the stock ECU, but after the tune it's an absolute animal! Power, more power, more power, more power, then whack into next gear and you just keep on going. :D:D:D:D

[moo moo nel]

interesting :thumbsup:

[Alexx]

great to have that comparison on one graph, good stuff :thumbsup:

ill take the midrange warrior anyday thanks

[fatboyz39]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/viet_mafia/_DSC7403.jpg



Ill drive the Red graph anyday!!:thumbsup::thumbsup: Look @ the end time on the last run LOL!!

[fatboyz39]

great to have that comparison on one graph, good stuff :thumbsup:

ill take the midrange warrior anyday thanks

Yeap, trying to show ozhonda members how to spend wisely on mods. Some built b18c wont make this grunt and wasted 10k on the motor.

[B20NA]

what size are your itb's , this could be your loss of power up top

[Benson]

Yeap, trying to show ozhonda members how to spend wisely on mods. Some built b18c wont make this grunt and wasted 10k on the motor.

LOL, maybe a set of Toda C's in the motor will make the same grunt?:p

[Benson]

what size are your itb's , this could be your loss of power up top

Size is big enough. I'd rather lose top end and make more mid range!. This stock motor needs a set of bigger cams then it will be even better

[infurNOS]

Engine - B18c2
Displacement - 1797cc
Bore - 81mm
Stroke - 87.2mm
CR -10.0:1
Camshaft - stock VTiR
Camgear Settings -
VTEC X-Over - 3800rpm
Gearbox - S80
I/H/E - SRI + RMF Headers + 2.5" mandrel Lukey
ECU - ProECU

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b279/vlturbz/scan-1.jpg

Blue line - stock B18c2
Red line - with above mods

[CRXer]

Engine - B18c2
Displacement - 1797cc
Bore - 81mm
Stroke - 87.2mm
CR -10.0:1
Camshaft - stock VTiR
Camgear Settings -
VTEC X-Over - 3800rpm
Gearbox - S80
I/H/E - SRI + RMF Headers + 2.5" mandrel Lukey
ECU - ProECU
Blue line - stock B18c2
Red line - with above mods

lol @ top secret AF's

so the blue line was done in 3rd as well & also with the 4.7?

[infurNOS]

lol @ top secret AF's

so the blue line was done in 3rd as well & also with the 4.7?

yes the blue line was dynoed in 3rd also and no i have 4.4, not 4.7.

[CRXer]

yes the blue line was dynoed in 3rd also and no i have 4.4, not 4.7.
oh ok,so your rolling on low profile 13" rims?

[infurNOS]

oh ok,so your rolling on low profile 13" rims?

lmao
no, 16s, u questioning my figures?

[CRXer]

lmao
no, 16s, u questioning my figures?
oh ok,so the dyno not calibrated to your setup...
wonder if blue line had the same calibration......

wish my 4.4 was spitting out those sorts of road speeds.....

[bennjamin]

wish my 4.4 was spitting out those sorts of road speeds.....

confused - this readout appears normal for 3rd gear readout (especially for a 4.4) - max out just before 140km.h ?

[delsol9000rpms]

oh ok,so your rolling on low profile 13" rims?

You seem to have a problem with peoples gearing? lol dont forget these runs arent all the way to the rev limit.... Also 140-150 in 3rd sounds right for a vti-r 4.4 final drive.. you should know this right? you own one dont you?

i think you will find your calculations are way offf with this dyno sheet aswell as my cousins previous dyno sheet posted.. remember the egb18c7

[CRXer]

confused - this readout appears normal for 3rd gear readout (especially for a 4.4) - max out just before 140km.h ?
im hitting 145 at 7750rpm ben on 205/40/17.
even if i went to 195/50/15,id still be hitting 140 at 7750rpm.
if i went further still & threw a 4.785 at it,then id hit 130 at 7750rpm

btw u like my new sig,not bullshit,it does happen....

[CRXer]

You seem to have a problem with peoples gearing? lol dont forget these runs arent all the way to the rev limit.... Also 140-150 in 3rd sounds right for a vti-r 4.4 final drive.. you should know this right? you own one dont you?

i think you will find your calculations are way offf with this dyno sheet aswell as my cousins previous dyno sheet posted.. remember the egb18c7
lol
do u want a datalog dude?????
maybe multiple quarter mile runs?????
how about a spreadsheet u can fiddle yourself?????

[delsol9000rpms]

Lets not forget speedometres are never 100% accurate... Tachos are not 100% accurate.. the dyno rpms arent always 100% accurate... if your going to sook about 5-10kmh start your own "speed in gears quarter mile/dyno sheet/ datalog/lowprofile/ truck profile/24" hummer wheels" thread

[CRXer]

Lets not forget speedometres are never 100% accurate... Tachos are not 100% accurate.. the dyno rpms arent always 100% accurate... if your going to sook about 5-10kmh start your own "speed in gears quarter mile/dyno sheet/ datalog/lowprofile/ truck profile/24" hummer wheels" thread
who said im reading a speedo lol,or a tacho for that matter?
geez,no wonder my motor is running fkd,if ecu cant even determine what rpm the motor is doin according to u.....u reckon u can fix it for me???

thats my point,those dyno rpms are highly inaccurate & considering HP is proportional to torque x rpm.....i'll let u figure out the rest as to what exactly is goin on, on that dyno sheet....
5-10k/h is a lot of rpm in 3rd gear,think before u comment.....

[jdm18c]

Just take it to the track!

[infurNOS]

... if your going to sook about 5-10kmh start your own "speed in gears quarter mile/dyno sheet/ datalog/lowprofile/ truck profile/24" hummer wheels" thread

lmaoo, pwned

[dsp26]

catalogue updated.

now why the hell is it full of B series?

Wheres all the H and F series motors? i know theres internally built ones here.. where you guys hiding?!?!

[GSi_PSi]

^ because b series rules the world hehe

[GSi_PSi]

Engine - Stock B20VTEC
Displacement - 1973cc
Bore - 84mm
Stroke - 89mm
CR - +10:4 or more, milling etc
Camshaft - stock B16a
Camgear Settings -
VTEC X-Over - 5000rpm
Gearbox - S80 4.2 FD
I/H/E - StockAirbox, TODA 4-2-1, JUN Exhaust
ECU - Crome


http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9682/samb20dyno.jpg

[MikeyG]

start the internals baby :)..

nice work GSI PSI.. excellent power for a simple build

[b18cfreak]

Engine - B18C (98 gsr)
Displacement - Stock
Bore - Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - 10.6 - 10.8ish
Camshaft - Stock
Camgears - Adjustable no idea on settings.
VTEC X-Over - 4500rpm
Gearbox - y1 ? - (cable box from an old crx si i believe)
I/H/E - Random pipes down to behind the headlight with K&N, Generic Stainless 4-2-1, generic 2.5 high flow cat with 2.5 pipe to a sports muffler
ECU - Hondata s200

The ports have been cleaned up a little and head has been shaved a little.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/626/after1.png

[TODA AU]

Customer car - DC5 Type R

Engine - K20/K24 Hybrid
Displacement - 2463cc
Bore -89.00mm
Stroke - 99.0mm
CR -12.5:1
Camshaft - TODA Spec F
Camgear Settings - Ex 105deg LCA - Intake 50deg VTC
Vtec crossover - 4750rpm
Gearbox - OEM DC5R
I/H/E - SPL Hypertune CAI, Hypertune 73mm throttle & adaptor, IPS intake manifold / TODA header / SK2 3" cat back exhaust system
ECU - HONDATA K-Pro
1/4 mile - 12.9 @ 110.5mph at old 175kw output. Shifting at 7500rpm (PRB intake mani, std throttle & injen)
Not yet run at new output

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/NatK24DC5.jpg

Notes:
Dyno run in 5th gear.
Dyno Dynamics Shootout mode - Shoot4 (Inertia 80 / Ramp rate 100)

Re IPS intake manifold.
Though it's clear the IPS intake manifold can be made to work & work well.
To be frank; I would rate it as somewhat troublesome at best, to not only install, but also to get working efficiently.
It's not a straight bolt-on & requires modification. Yes it can be made to work better than the std PRB but it takes a while.
So if you're planing on getting one & DIY. Please, take this as advice...
Consider it an advanced project, particularly if you wish to keep A/C, full length radiator etc (which we did)
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6s1ajwhmeX7AWM:http://www.intrinsicperformance.com/images/intakemanifold/IPS-HP-1stArticle-03.jpg

[timofytit]

Customer car - DC5 Type R

Engine - K20/K24 Hybrid
Displacement - 2463cc
Bore -89.00mm
Stroke - 99.0mm
CR -12.5:1
Camshaft - TODA Spec F
Camgear Settings - Ex 105deg LCA - Intake 50deg VTC
Vtec crossover - 4750rpm
Gearbox - OEM DC5R
I/H/E - SPL Hypertune CAI, Hypertune 73mm throttle & adaptor, IPS intake manifold / TODA header / SK2 3" cat back exhaust system
ECU - HONDATA K-Pro
1/4 mile - 12.9 @ 110.5mph at old 175kw output. Shifting at 7500rpm (PRB intake mani, std throttle & injen)
Not yet run at new output

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/TODA_AU/NatK24DC5.jpg

Notes:
Dyno run in 5th gear.
Dyno Dynamics Shootout mode - Shoot4 (Inertia 80 / Ramp rate 100)

Re IPS intake manifold.
Though it's clear the IPS intake manifold can be made to work & work well.
To be frank; I would rate it as somewhat troublesome at best, to not only install, but also to get working efficiently.
It's not a straight bolt-on & requires modification. Yes it can be made to work better than the std PRB but it takes a while.
So if you're planing on getting one & DIY. Please, take this as advice...
Consider it an advanced project, particularly if you wish to keep A/C, full length radiator etc (which we did)
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6s1ajwhmeX7AWM:http://www.intrinsicperformance.com/images/intakemanifold/IPS-HP-1stArticle-03.jpg

Very good. Well done buddy, time for you to enter Superlap?

[EG5]

Good power!!

[koevi]

customer car - dc5 type r

engine - k20/k24 hybrid
displacement - 2463cc
bore -89.00mm
stroke - 99.0mm
cr -12.5:1
camshaft - toda spec f
camgear settings - ex 105deg lca - intake 50deg vtc
vtec crossover - 4750rpm
gearbox - oem dc5r
i/h/e - spl hypertune cai, hypertune 73mm throttle & adaptor, ips intake manifold / toda header / sk2 3" cat back exhaust system
ecu - hondata k-pro
1/4 mile - 12.9 @ 110.5mph at old 175kw output. Shifting at 7500rpm (prb intake mani, std throttle & injen)
not yet run at new output

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee117/toda_au/natk24dc5.jpg

notes:
Dyno run in 5th gear.
Dyno dynamics shootout mode - shoot4 (inertia 80 / ramp rate 100)

re ips intake manifold.
Though it's clear the ips intake manifold can be made to work & work well.
To be frank; i would rate it as somewhat troublesome at best, to not only install, but also to get working efficiently.
It's not a straight bolt-on & requires modification. Yes it can be made to work better than the std prb but it takes a while.
So if you're planing on getting one & diy. Please, take this as advice...
Consider it an advanced project, particularly if you wish to keep a/c, full length radiator etc (which we did)
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6s1ajwhmex7awm:http://www.intrinsicperformance.com/images/intakemanifold/ips-hp-1starticle-03.jpg

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[TODA AU]

wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff fffffffffffffffff
? What do you mean?
WTF good? or WTF bad?
There's a lot of f's there :p

[timofytit]

Toda 'F' spec cams here too, hehehe

[DEMON83]

any more 'all motor' K24 builds..?

[FLICK]

any more 'all motor' K24 builds..?

My one will be posted very soon. Keep a look out.

[MM89]

Engine - B18C (98 gsr)
Displacement - Stock
Bore - Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - 10.6 - 10.8ish
Camshaft - Stock
Camgears - Adjustable no idea on settings.
VTEC X-Over - 4500rpm
Gearbox - y1 ? - (cable box from an old crx si i believe)
I/H/E - Random pipes down to behind the headlight with K&N, Generic Stainless 4-2-1, generic 2.5 high flow cat with 2.5 pipe to a sports muffler
ECU - Hondata s200

The ports have been cleaned up a little and head has been shaved a little.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/626/after1.png

May someone educate me about the spike of the AFR at around 45kph? What could have caused this or is there any reason why it is so?
AFR seems quite stable afterwards and when stock and tuned AFR curves cross at 160kph, the tuned AFR drops.
Is this an example of stock settings running too rich?

[ZeForce]

Im gonna take a stab in the dark and say those spikes are where the dyno starts the ramp

[TODA AU]

Just air rolling around in the tail pipe at low rev, no biggie

[kwokstaa]

dc2 k24 not cammed though..

[fatboyz39]

^hub dyno?

[kwokstaa]

not sure mate, the setup is pretty basic kswap into dc2. i/h/e kpro

[Spoon SiRG]

Engine - 99' Spec B18C2
Displacement - Stock 1.8ltr
Bore - Stock 81mm
Stroke - Stock 87.2mm
CR - Stock 10.0:1
Camshaft - B16B CTR Cams
Camgears - 0-0
VTEC X-Over - 5200rpm
Gearbox - Stock S80 VTiR
I/H/E - Mugen Intake, 62mm ITR TB, Skunk2 IM, DC Sports JDM 4-1 Header, JDM ITR Cat, B-Pipe & Muffler
ECU - Apexi Power FC
1/4 Mile - 14.3 @ 96mph
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Spoon_SiRG/DC2001-1.jpg

[MM89]

interesting, looks like a solid figure. were the ctr cams installed with anything else in the valvetrain or you just dropped the cams in? i wonder how much effect they had and the IM and TB as well...
i'm assuming there's a little more power to be had with a different exhaust setup, but overall this looks like decent for vtir motor!

[NSPYRE]

wow, nice figure with such simple bolt-ons! :D :thumbsup:

[Spoon SiRG]

interesting, looks like a solid figure. were the ctr cams installed with anything else in the valvetrain or you just dropped the cams in? i wonder how much effect they had and the IM and TB as well...
i'm assuming there's a little more power to be had with a different exhaust setup, but overall this looks like decent for vtir motor!

Yeah I just dropped in the cams, stock intake dual valvesprings, the rev limit is set to 8200rpm. Tried a 2.5 catback then, got sick of the noise & droning.

[Spoon SiRG]

wow, nice figure with such simple bolt-ons! :D :thumbsup:

Thanks man. My goal was to make the b18c2 scream like a b16a; couldn't afford the ITR then. Just a little more go for the daily driver.

[MM89]

Thanks man. My goal was to make the b18c2 scream like a b16a; couldn't afford the ITR then. Just a little more go for the daily driver.

and i'm assuming the vtec transition sounds enormous like a b16a now with the cams and the IM and you have a fairly big jump at vtec point.
good on ya bud. would definitely have a bit more go than the standard dc2r.

[thebob]

Engine - K20A
Displacement - 2160cc
Bore - 86.5
Stroke - 92
CR - 12.5, pump fuel
Camshaft - Brian Crower NA2
Camgear Settings - VTC locked at 25
VTEC X-Over - 6,000
Gearbox - OEM 6spd, 5.1FD
I/H/E - Hayward 52mm ITBs, ASP 4-1 Custom tubes with megaphone, 3" custom with cat and res, no muffler.
ECU - K -pro
Head - Ported, OS 1mm valves INT & EXT.
1/4 - 13.5 @ 110MPH
Circuit - 60.9 QR sprint.
DB - 126db at 6200rpm.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j103/ibobowns/023.jpg

[timofytit]

Thats pretty good

[Benson]

Awesome result Bobby! US products FTW!!

[jdmTYPE R]

made me think benny...my engine is full US products as well

[EG5]

Nice power!

[DNYALL]

Very nice power :thumbsup:

[chubby steve]

Engine - K20A
Displacement - 2.0
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - skunk2 stage 2
VTEC X-Over - 5200
Gearbox - stock
I/H/E - RBC, injen, kidd racing headers, 3inch catback, skunk2 fuel railCamgear Settings -
ECU -k100

[Lukezen27]

Engine - K20A
Displacement - 2.0
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
VTEC X-Over - stock
Gearbox - EP3 stock
I/H/E - JDM PR3 intake snorkel /stock/stock (5Kw gain) Freebie from Adrain
ECU - stock
CLICK HERE Dyno TODA (http://luke.scruffie.com/ep3/ep3_stock_dyno.jpg)

[HeavensDVL]

only reason why i can think that its ran in third is to show more power...

[Lukezen27]

only reason why i can think that its ran in third is to show more power...

who are you talking to?

[jyh888]

who are you talking to?

Wow thats a very strong figure for a stock engine! When did you do the dyno?

[TODA AU]

JDM PR3 intake snorkel (5Kw gain)

only reason why i can think that its ran in third is to show more power...
Answer is the PR3 JDM DC5R intake snokel that was added to Luke's airbox replacing the original EP3 one (which is small & crap like the AUDM snorkel)
Dyno runs in 4th gear. 1st run is best of 3. (run 3 - Red line)
Comparison is run 9 -(blue line), 2nd set of best of 3 trying things.
Runs are in 4th gear. Use road speed at bottom for reference if you're unsure.


Wow thats a very strong figure for a stock engine! When did you do the dyno?
Few months ago now, EP3's are pretty strong though, esp compared to AUDM DC5R.
Getting 115~120kw at the wheels stock is not in any way unusual & Luke just has a good one.
The DC5R puts down 105~110kw on average (stock) & the DC5S averages a little higher.

[l__i__l]

dc2 k24 not cammed though..

stop bullshitting mate

that aint ur graph

i know whose graph this is and its for a dc5 type S not ur imaginary k24

it even says on the graph ffs

[kwokstaa]

hahaha ok joker...

[markoJEK1]

Engine - B18C
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock w/ EK9 N1 crank pulley
Camshaft - stock
VTEC X-Over - 5200
Gearbox - 4.4 FD ITR S80 stock w/ TODA lightened flywheel
I/H/E - Injen CAI, TODA hears, Custom 2.5' Stainless Steel straight pipe with xforce resonator (no muffler)
ECU - Hondata S300

Adrians' work.
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3911/adriantoda1327kw.jpg

[crashprash]

Engine - K20Z1
Displacement - 2
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - toda a2 i/e
Gearbox - stock
I/H/E -gruppe m, rbc, skunk2 70mm TB, toda exhaust manifold, mugen twinloop
ECU - Haltech DC5 ecu

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_r3pd9gYI0BE/TDGp5MvenXI/AAAAAAAAAUY/h0torOftaCk/s640/dyno2.jpg

[DNYALL]

Engine - B18C
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
VTEC X-Over - 5200
Gearbox - ITR S80 stock
I/H/E - Injen CAI, TODA hears, Custom 2.5' Stainless Steel with xforce resonator (no muffler)
ECU - Hondata S300

Adrians' work.
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3911/adriantoda1327kw.jpg

Damn man, thats some big power from a stock 1.8 with bolt on's :) oh dear. almost to good to be true.

[ekfour97]

if thats true thats what im aiming for .... well done marko and well done adrian .

[Lukezen27]

if thats true thats what im aiming for .... well done marko and well done adrian .

Note this though

""(no muffler)""

[markoJEK1]

Cheers guys. Adrian does great work. To elaborate on no muffler I have a straight pipe adapter that deletes it and makes the system a straight pipe with resonator

[Lukezen27]

Cheers guys. Adrian does great work. To elaborate on no muffler I have a straight pipe adapter that deletes it and makes the system a straight pipe with resonator

My point was, we could hear you 5 miles away hahah

Nice one

[markoJEK1]

All good. Edited post to make it
More clear for others. Mind you my ears got sore

[EG5]

Nice one Marko , Great job Adrian

[joe.teg]

yonas, if you have my dyno sheet still, i might drop past and grab it soon so i can post it up on this thread :)

[EG5]

yonas, if you have my dyno sheet still, i might drop past and grab it soon so i can post it up on this thread :)
Clear your PM inbox
I will send it to you

[joe.teg]

ok man, go for it :)

[joe.teg]

Engine - B18C2
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - Blox Spec B
VTEC X-Over - 6800
Gearbox - VTi-R 4.4 No LSD
I/H/E - Injen CAI with Blox Stack and filter (SKUNK2 IM and 68mm TB), T1R Headers, Custom 2.25' Mild Steel with res and muffler
ECU - Hondata S100


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5122/5250402828_11a55711a2_z.jpg

[DNYALL]

Cheers guys. Adrian does great work. To elaborate on no muffler I have a straight pipe adapter that deletes it and makes the system a straight pipe with resonator

Now get it to the track and prove that performance properly!! :thumbsup:

[thebob]

Dnyall I have been pushing this point for a while.

[markoJEK1]

Haha bobby, shame you wont be back there next year running :thumbdwn: , nearly read to go! hoping to make a debut early next year

[thebob]

Don't count me out yet.

[_bORdO_]

Engine - B18C2
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - Blox Spec B
VTEC X-Over - 6800
Gearbox - VTi-R 4.4 No LSD
I/H/E - Injen CAI with Blox Stack and filter (SKUNK2 IM and 68mm TB), T1R Headers, Custom 2.25' Mild Steel with res and muffler
ECU - Hondata S100


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5122/5250402828_11a55711a2_z.jpg

I find this very impressive for a b18c2,
good job.

[lil_foy]

Engine - B18C2
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - Blox Spec B
VTEC X-Over - 6800
Gearbox - VTi-R 4.4 No LSD
I/H/E - Injen CAI with Blox Stack and filter (SKUNK2 IM and 68mm TB), T1R Headers, Custom 2.25' Mild Steel with res and muffler
ECU - Hondata S100


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5122/5250402828_11a55711a2_z.jpg

Done 1/4 yet?

[mocchi]

can you guys please tell me how to read where is the power band on this dyno sheet?

*aaronng's K24A3.
Engine - K24A3
Displacement: 2354 cc
Compression: 10.5:1
Bore: 87 mm
Stroke: 99 mm
Camshaft - standard
Camgear Settings - standard timing
Gearbox - standard 4.388 FD
I/H/E - Apexi SRI with Ghetto™ enclosure and cold air feed

*run to 7000rpm only. Cutout is at 7300rpm*

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1040/clipboard01fd9.jpg

[Benson]

You'll need a torque graph

[thebob]

Wow why the spike downwards at high 6000?

[joe.teg]

I find this very impressive for a b18c2,
good job.

Thanks man, its had a full port/polish, port matched and modified valves.
I have not done a quarter mile yet but i did run a 1.16.59 at wakefield with shit pedders shocks and springs, 17x7 rims on street tyres and a 22mm whiteline swaybar and the standard brake setup. im hoping to go back down there soon with my coilovers, new brake setup, 15in wheels and semis, camber kit and F7 LCAS. Ill be very curious to see how it goes then

[TODA AU]

Thanks man, its had a full port/polish, port matched and modified valves.
I have not done a quarter mile yet but i did run a 1.16.59 at wakefield with shit pedders shocks and springs, 17x7 rims on street tyres and a 22mm whiteline swaybar and the standard brake setup. im hoping to go back down there soon with my coilovers, new brake setup, 15in wheels and semis, camber kit and F7 LCAS. Ill be very curious to see how it goes then

What's the output in shoot4 @ less than 95% humidity?
Shoot8 has a 200 ramp rate & 120 inertia.
Shoot4 is a 100 ramp rate & 80 inertia.(& usually reads around 10-15kw less)
High humidity also adds a positive trim to the reading too.

[migoreng]

Adrian.

My H22A4 almost hits 101 with very mild mods. K24 above did 10kw more. Any idea?
It was humid and rain sprinkled quite a bit that day. Would that have made a difference?

Engine - H22A4
Displacement - 2.2
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
VTEC X-Over - 4200
Gearbox - stock
I/H/E - K&N Panel filter, removed intake resonator, stock header, hi flow cat, Tanabe Medalion Touring catback.
ECU - Apexi AFC Neo

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/dyno/DSC01697.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/dyno/DSC01696.jpg

[dougie_504]

Isn't 100kw for a H22A kind of weak? No offence intended. But isn't is about 150kw at the fly? Though you would expect something like 120 +/- atw?

[TODA AU]

Adrian.

My H22A4 almost hits 101 with very mild mods. K24 above did 10kw more. Any idea?
It was humid and rain sprinkled quite a bit that day. Would that have made a difference?

K24's tend to make more power than H22A's without even trying.
Your car was run @ 48% humidity (per weather staition data) which would have given a slight positive correction but that aside, you're not camparing apples & apples. 2.2L vs 2.4L & Vtec vs iVtec etc


Isn't 100kw for a H22A kind of weak? No offence intended. But isn't is about 150kw at the fly? Though you would expect something like 120 +/- atw?
100kw is pretty normal for an H22A. In stock trim or near stock (I/H/E) they're really not particularly powerful or impressive.
Moreover, to be honest, I've never seen one in my life that made me go - Wow!
Seen plenty than made me so oh... oh dear... (Even some built ones) Never wow! though.
So though they have a mythical rep, in reality, they are kinda weak.

[Benson]

Branden h2b type S motor is making just a little over 150kw with simple bolt-ons. A normal h22a with bolt-on's made close to 135kw. I wouldn't say they are weak motor.

Built h22a? Cant really comment, but the yanks seem to have great success with them. I guess if built right with the right parts, it can be a killer motor.

[GSi_PSi]

only 100kw and 110kw for h22a and k24? son i am disappoint

[TODA AU]

Branden h2b type S motor is making just a little over 150kw with simple bolt-ons. A normal h22a with bolt-on's made close to 135kw. I wouldn't say they are weak motor.
Built h22a? Cant really comment, but the yanks seem to have great success with them. I guess if built right with the right parts, it can be a killer motor.

Actually, in standard form I would say they are quite pissweak.
It's no secret in standard or near standard form for the capacity, they are a feeble engine.
I agree if built right, yes, they do have considerable potential & fair enough if your mates one has grunt, most don't.


only 100kw and 110kw for h22a and k24? son i am disappoint
LOL, no that'd come after you purchased one based on the online myths of high output.

[Benson]

Well yes, if you talk about completely standard form (no bolt-ons), most motor do only make around 100kw's. Once you open them up with the right bolt-ons with the right tune, they can make 30% more power

[migoreng]

K24's tend to make more power than H22A's without even trying.
Your car was run @ 48% humidity (per weather staition data) which would have given a slight positive correction but that aside, you're not camparing apples & apples. 2.2L vs 2.4L & Vtec vs iVtec etc


Thanks Adian...So is there an ideal humidity %? Because of the positive correction (more fuel added?) on that day, are you saying If I run my car on a better day the dyno should show more power? And my AFR graph should be closer to 13?

Can you tell me the difference between my old dyno graph from 2 years ago and my current one? The day wasn't too warm. I say about 5-6 degrees more than when I visiited your work shop 2 months ago.
I ran 106.5KW and my car was 100% stock. In case you people are interested here's a list of Preludes (look at the Corolla Sportivos. They have 141kw? at the fly vs 143kw? for h22a4).

Any comments?
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/dyno/dyno.jpg

Got the list from Ozmazda forum.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/migoreng1/dyno/OZMAZDAcom-Dyno-Day-Result.jpg


Isn't 100kw for a H22A kind of weak? No offence intended. But isn't is about 150kw at the fly? Though you would expect something like 120 +/- atw?

Yes I was expecting 110kw after tune but maybe the dyno was reading low for some reason.
H22A4 has 143kw at the fly. Apparently 99+ H22Z engineshave 147 because of a slight header modification?
The car still pulls strong. 0-100kph in 8 seconds flat without trying hard (mid 7s possible if I can actually do a good launch).

[TODA AU]

Thanks Adian...So is there an ideal humidity %? Because of the positive correction (more fuel added?) on that day, are you saying If I run my car on a better day the dyno should show more power? And my AFR graph should be closer to 13?

Can you tell me the difference between my old dyno graph from 2 years ago and my current one? The day wasn't too warm. I say about 5-6 degrees more than when I visiited your work shop 2 months ago.
I ran 106.5KW and my car was 100% stock. In case you people are interested here's a list of Preludes (look at the Corolla Sportivos. They have 141kw? at the fly vs 143kw? for h22a4).

Any comments?


Got the list from Ozmazda forum.

Yes I was expecting 110kw after tune but maybe the dyno was reading low for some reason.
H22A4 has 143kw at the fly. Apparently 99+ H22Z engineshave 147 because of a slight header modification?
The car still pulls strong. 0-100kph in 8 seconds flat without trying hard (mid 7s possible if I can actually do a good launch).

The correction factor is an SAE corretion to bring the power output value back to a standard day.
What you got is what you got, the dyno is just a tool used for tuning to see that you're moving forward. Some read higher than others but are generally ball park similar as are your runs. Though you may well have had 106kw @ SAS, but one our dyno your car pulled around 94kw before the tune. After tuning you got 100kw & that's about right. Re the correction factor: This may allow you to show a higher reading on the dyno & give to a happy reading but the car won't actually make any more power. What it's got is what it's got.
It also won't affect your AFR's. You can see from your previous sheet to your current one that the AFR's before tuning are the same regardless of output.
As you can see from the dyno day results, your car is putting down the average power for a H22A. Some are better, some are worse. Had the dyno day been held on our dyno, chances are the outputs would be 10kw less (based on your results). Numbers aside, the car is going better now & has 5~6kw more in the peak power & around 10kw @ 5000rpm. this will translate into faster smoother driving. Whether 1 dyno reads higher or not doesn't really matter but the trends are the same.

[migoreng]

As you can see from the dyno day results, your car is putting down the average power for a H22A. Some are better, some are worse. Had the dyno day been held on our dyno, chances are the outputs would be 10kw less (based on your results). Numbers aside, the car is going better now & has 5~6kw more in the peak power & around 10kw @ 5000rpm. this will translate into faster smoother driving. Whether 1 dyno reads higher or not doesn't really matter but the trends are the same.

Thanks for the explanation!

When I ran the 106 at SAS I did not have any I/H/E mods. So I ran ~94kw before tune on your dyno but I had a K&N panel filter, hi flow cat and catback exhaust. What if my engine was still stock? Would I have ran a few kw less, say 90kw atw?

So what you're saying, if I went back to SAS then I would most likely run ~115kw atw?

Do I/H/E mods generally make a difference on Honda engines or is a tune required to gain power? I know JDMYard or something claims ~5kw gain in the top end from an Injen CAI alone.

Anyway, i'm not too fussed about the numbers....thanks for the tune Adrian. Very quick/efficient and professional :D My car definately pulls harder after 3000rpm...

If there is a dyno day somewhere else in the future I may take my car for a run to see if there is a difference.

[TODA AU]

Thanks for the explanation!

When I ran the 106 at SAS I did not have any I/H/E mods. So I ran ~94kw before tune on your dyno but I had a K&N panel filter, hi flow cat and catback exhaust. What if my engine was still stock? Would I have ran a few kw less, say 90kw atw?

Do I/H/E mods generally make a difference on Honda engines or is a tune required to gain power? I know JDMYard or something claims ~5kw gain in the top end from an Injen CAI alone.
Generally you will see a gain with I/H/E without tuning (depending on the quality of the parts) & a further 5kw top end & 10kw-ish in the mid range as yours did.
So yes, yours would likley have put down 90ish in standard form on our dyno.
& Injen's do offer a gain over the std intake off the bat without tuning.

[mooks145]

i just tune ek b18c7 with mugen intake, toda header,adjustable fuel reg, 2.5in cat and 2.5 exh. ecu is s300 and i only got 107kw. is there something wrong with my engine. got the compersion test its ok 250. can someone give me advice. thanks

[Dems]

i just tune ek b18c7 with mugen intake, toda header,adjustable feul reg, 2.5in cat and 2.5 exh. ecu is s300 and i only got 107kw. is there something wrong with my engine. got the compersion test its ok 250. can someone give me advice. thanks

My B18C7 pulls 108.5kw with intake, Bisi headers, exhaust and Neptune Ecu on a mainline dyno too!

that is fine and nothing to turn your nose at, plus as adrian said it's all in how it drives!!!

[timofytit]

Engine - B18C
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock w/ EK9 N1 crank pulley
Camshaft - stock
VTEC X-Over - 5200
Gearbox - 4.4 FD ITR S80 stock w/ TODA lightened flywheel
I/H/E - Injen CAI, TODA hears, Custom 2.5' Stainless Steel straight pipe with xforce resonator (no muffler)
ECU - Hondata S300

Adrians' work.
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3911/adriantoda1327kw.jpg

So smooth!!

[joe.teg]

the bel garage dyno likes to read a bit low. talk to yonas about the specifics of it.

[mooks145]

i just tune ek b18c7 with mugen intake, toda header,adjustable fuel reg, 2.5in cat and 2.5 exh. ecu is s300 and i only got 107kw. is there something wrong with my engine. got the compersion test its ok 250. can someone give me advice. thanks

hey guys i got about 3000 or 4000 dollars max to spend on my engine wat would you guy reconmend do with it. that all i'll spend on the engine.thanks

[vinnY]

what do you want out of it?

[mooks145]

i don't want a turbo. its a street car maybe take to track later on.

[vinnY]

goals? I got some itb's for b series if you're up for that :p

[mooks145]

can i keep the air con charlie said have to get rid of it.wat would you do with that money.