No problem Merlin.That is the exhaust system you'll be getting.The tips are a bit big (as you'll see this Sat.)but otherwise it looks good.I'm sure you'll be happy with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
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No problem Merlin.That is the exhaust system you'll be getting.The tips are a bit big (as you'll see this Sat.)but otherwise it looks good.I'm sure you'll be happy with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
Jin has the extreme kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I want to see it tomorrow at the JDMST meet!!! Xiang. can you give me a ride around in your car?
With regards to the substantial loss in performance in hot weather, when compared to being in cooler weather:
Is it possible that the stock ECU in the Euro Accord adjusts the settings to be more conservative during hot weather, in order to make it safe for the engine?
What I'm trying to say is, if your car has had the Hondata JTune package installed and re-tuned, then that previous difference in performance during hot and cold weather, might have a much smaller discrepancy, when the packages are installed.
Yup, the stock ECU does that using the intake air temperature sensor on the intake arm. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
Yeah, ill take you for a spin with j-toda..
lol, ill be in the blue euro, green p's.
and yeah, like tony said, extreme kit. =]
i thought you moved to melbourne?
Yup, but I'm moving back because of work. I drove back up last week to look for a place to rent and will fly back to Melb on Sat.Quote:
Originally Posted by xiang
What time and where is this JDMST meet,i'd be interested in going.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Ah, wouldn't it be nice if somebody took a basic video clip with their phone to show off the extreme package....
Perhaps a shot of the tacho and speedo rising during acceleration and also giving an indication (albeit a poor one) of how the package sounds. :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Merlin086
The tips are huge!
James did mention the final production tips will be 10mm less then the current ones they have i believe.
Still huge :p
Worried about them fitting in the holes probably when a rear skirt is installed.
We were all too busy enjoying the test drive.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
According to James they are currently 110mm and will be reduced for the production run to 100mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
So that will give you a diameter to work with.
This kit was designed with the Honda genuine body kit taken into account there is no way you can cater for all forms of body kits that are available on the market. I have the genuine kit and it fits no problem. Do not go off the current fittment as an example. I have another photo that shows an better example of this at home but I will have to upload later. And yes the tips will be reduced in size by 10mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
Ive got a genune Honda rear skirt so if it fits that im more then happy :)
Look forward to seeing it :)
I just measured the stock tip and it is 85mm.
The curve in the stock rear skirt is >130mm.
Personally I am happy with 15mm over stock....not too excessive IMHO.
100mm is pretty good. The question is... how long is the tip?
the tips are close to about 18cms from the baffle, but note the exhaust system is adjustable.
so currently on my car they exhaust has purposely been installed on a tilt just to demonstrate that the exhaust can be leveled, and not all wonky.
the exhaust can also be adjusted length wise if i recall correctly. So you can push the exhaust more in under the car. Or pull it out from the car.
did that make sense?
:) it did.
Got any photos of the rear?
ill be back in about an hour with some photos
dammit, got the wrong usb cable
What time will you rock up at P6 tonight? 7pm?
hahaha :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by xiang
How did last night go?Aaron did you get to drive Jins car with the extreme kit?If so what were your thoughts?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
The extreme kit has BIG gains in the midrange. When you shift at redline in a stock Euro, you feel that the car lands in a torqueless zone in the next gear and takes time to build back up. The extreme just continues pulling hard in the next gear without fuss.
While the exhaust does seem loud at idle, it's surprisingly quiet at high RPM full throttle. The extreme is quieter than my car!
It also seemed quite loud outside of the car but inside was fine!
So is it a thumbs up from Prof. Aaron?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
So for those who have driven the mild and extreme. How many tenths you subjectively reckon it shaves of 0-100 kph?????
yeah did anyone time a 0-100 with extreme and with just mild flash?
0-100km/h times are meaningless. That depends more on the driver and the amount of traction you have.
Ergo: So its cheaper and easier to change the driver than to mod the car?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Doesn't make any sense to me. I know i can drive consistently. So I know i can tell the difference. If i was about to drop $4000 and couldn't feel the difference in acceleration in someone else comparable euro then i would not be dropping the money.:(
I just after a general feeling on if it was substantially quicker or not really when getting on it from a standstill. Im not after exact verification.:)
IMO i feel that being a passenger in the car you wont get a proper feel of any improvement. I believe that you have to be in the driver's seat. That's what i let aaron drive the car.
And yes suntzu there is a noticable difference in accelleration. I dont have any numbers or times to tell you, but it is noticeable. You feel the car pull through the rev range fairly quicker than stock. The upper rev range is where you'll find alot of the tourqe.
My tyres are pretty shonky atm, but i found it was hard to get good traction in 1st gear at 80% throttle.
I can’t wait to check this out on Saturday at the JTune Brisbane open day, I’m very excited about going for a drive. I hope everyone knows the time has changed from 12pm to 10:30am so don’t be late or you will miss out.
0-100km/h times are for selling cars. 0-400m times are what differentiates a fast from the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
[/QUOTE]IMO i feel that being a passenger in the car you wont get a proper feel of any improvement. I believe that you have to be in the driver's seat.[QUOTE]
I agree.That's why i asked Jin for a drive.:p
I dont think 0-100 comparison of Extreme vs Standard shows its true gains
Just from being in the passenger seat the real gains seemed to be when it got going.
Not that the guy launched the car or anything but it just felt considerably faster on the move then a stock euro.
I imagine it would just walk away from a standard car
When you are at mid RPM and floor the throttle on a stock Euro, it feels like the car is just accelerating smoothly. On the Extreme, flooring it means a little push in the back, as if the car has quite a bit more torque. Basically, the difference is like going from a B16A to a B18C.
And I noticed one thing, the damn throttle lag was minimised by quite a fair bit! Also, the throttle response on the Extreme felt more like a cable throttle rather than an electronic one.
Handing over my baby this afternoon to get the mods fitted, pick up Saturday
On a sadder note..............
R.I.P.
MERLIN ( English Mastiff )
06/02/98 - 21/11/07
Sorry to hear that mate...my thoughts go out.
Sorry to hear it as well. Pets can be a pain but they can be great mates as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
Sorry to hear too.. 9 years, must suck dude.
Are you going to be the test car Merlin?
If so.. bring 2nd set of undies and extra petrol money!
Thanks for your sympathy guys regarding my English Mastiff Merlin, bloody paralysis tick!
But in regard to Jtune, apparently they will have the demo car for test drives, and the demo set on the wall in Sydney is going on my euro as Brissy is the last demo.
...apparently.....
Doesn't seem like there were many review or comments from last sat. How disappointing. Im not expecting a lot from the bris meet.
Well, after a few short stints in Brissy, I just drove home 100k's, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
most impressed despite getting stuck in traffic.
I'll head out for a good test run tomorrow and report back tomorrow night,
I'll post some pics of the engine bay and the tips from the back too.
So far the main thing I have noticed is a much more even rate of acceleration right through the power range, from right down low in the revs, with instant acceleration as against waiting for the revs to build again as per stock. Also a bit louder than I expected, but damn it's a nice deep note.
Anyway, I will do a more comprehensive right up tomorrow night with my impressions.
If it is not too much to ask, how about a small video sample of the exhaust?
Did a sound test with my video camera, sounds natural so I'll do a video and post a link to youtube with a tacho shot with sound and a rear view with sound.....hows that sound......?...it'll be there by tonight.
That would be awesome! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
:) awesome, look forward to some pics/videos :)
Man, holy shit, all these derestricted roads within a couple of K's of home, had some fun today.
Bloody thing pulls like a loco, sounds like a V8 and even accelerates smoothly from 30kph in 5th gear. Even accelerates well from 85kph in 6th gear.
Couple of dash lights flashing on but have to get my ecu back yet in a couple of weeks, being a 06 they still have a couple of tweaks to do for the flash yet.
Anyway, I hope you enjoy the long awaited sound demo.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEPp61UeaMA
Might try and get a "mobile" video in the next day or 2,try and set my tripod on the back seat..............hmmmm
Sounds good! I see they removed the 4500rpm fuel cut when the car is standing still.
All this talk about how much harder it goes and dyno bullcrap are pointless.
I think the j tune guys need to get one on the dragstrip and see if it is quicker than the 15.3 i have seen for a stock euro standard.
The package will be sold on that proof and not the butt and dyno claims.
Give people the hard facts and let them decide if it's worth the buy.
They did it ran a 14.89. That was the manual lux verison and were struggling to get it cleanly off the line. Given that it ran over 100mph it must have potential for a better 1/4.Quote:
Originally Posted by albii
Cutout is at 5000 rpmQuote:
Originally Posted by yfin
I run my stereo off my computer and it sounds excellent through my big speakers, but I suppose the sound will depend on the speakers you are running through.
PS
I am intending to run it down the 1/4 mile when I get my ECU back, and everything is running at peak...probably 2-3 weeks.....
Do you know why they changed that? It is not as if you can launch the car at 4500rpm anyway.
To be honest I have never hit cutout before while stationary, so I didn't even know cutout was 4500rpm. Don't know why it is different, but I don't really find it relevant as I would't launch above 4000rpm anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
I'll definately ask James about that though...at feedback time...:thumbsup:
That sounds hot, best sounding euro yet! I am a little concerned about how far the tips stick out from the car though...
They can be adjusted in or out on a slip joint.........:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by ENVSSS
i can say merrlin086 car is awsome pulls all they way through 2nd and keeps pulling had great fun
Thanks mate will have to catch up on the cruz ur planning.
when i had it on my car, cut off was still there at 4500rpmQuote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Just posted a video from inside running up thru the gears, try and get a better one later this week.
Anybody know a good (free) editing program for windows that will clip and join mov.files?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdhjXY_8umU&feature=user
Nice, saw the other clip you had and dayymm, the exhaust sounds awesome as. Nice work for recordin and puttin up mate.:thumbsup:
Nice clip. Pity the old Pac Hwy isn't 100 speed limit anymore, 80 is way too slow (esp for testing cars, hehe)
Tweed end 100k's.....:thumbsup:..Murbah end is 80k'sQuote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
Thanks for posting that up. You're doing what Jtune themselves refused to do.
The in-cabin sound is quite nice! :honda:
Any chance of a video showing the speedo and tacho going along to the sounds?
Damn, just can't change gears, steer and hold the camera at the same time, if only I can hold the camera in my mouth.....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
Just have to organise a co-pilot....er.....photographer to sit in the back
Might try and get a outside approach and departure shot thru the gears too,
as it sounds to "the people in the street"
Give me a cpl of days.........:thumbsup:
Helmet cam....or something alike, get a hat, dux tape the cam to the hat....and sha-bang, you have helmet cam....just not with a helmet, but with a cap....LoL
merlin should work for jtune
LOL.......too busy drivin' my euro..........:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
....and making movies......:angel:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8523/accordee3.jpg
Thanks for the vids :)
So thus far it seems your enjoying it? :)
^....lol.....:thumbsup:
Man that cracks me up........rofl
Hard not to plant the right foot it sounds soooo niccccce.........
But even the ppl mowing their grass look when I do.........:eek:
But also enjoying what seems like massive amounts of torque.......:thumbsup:
Very easy to putter around town in 5th gear in "stealth mode"...:cool:
lol there probably scared of all the extra Killerwasps!
all sounds good, hope it all gets done before christmas!
if i was $10,000 richer i'd get the extreme package and the comptech supercharger from overseas XD
Never felt torque steer before now, I'd hate to think how you would get the power down.....upgrade clutch, LSD....etc..:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
Need the Legend 4WD running gear...:p
Even with the comptech SC, 1st gear will pull without losing traction in the dry. In the wet however........
Hey guys.
We helped put together Merlin's car on Friday evening the day before the demo. Something happened and the other distributor HondaCare ended up installing the kit.
All I can say (without offending anyone) is that the Euro is a bucket of sh*t from the factory. The kind of slow that makes you not buy the car. I went in the car before and after the conversion and let me tell you, the car is completely transformed. Let me say it again, the car is COMPLETELY transformed. As the others said, it pulls through all the gears, throttle is WAY more responsive, and low-end to mid-range has ALOT more useable torque. You no longer need to rev the crap out of it to get it moving. The car definitely has some good speed behind it. I even dare say that it would run head to head with any NA Type R's (depending on driver of course).
Thats my 2 cents anyways.
Somewhat of an exaggeration! Not that long ago an Australian made 5litre V8 was running the same 1/4 mile as the manual Euro (around mid 15). How people's expectations have changed...Quote:
Originally Posted by 7ypeR
And as for revving the crap to get it moving - I could also say I felt the same thing when driving a DC5R. Most Hondas need revs on board before the pace arrives.
you dont buy a $41k euro because its fast... if you wanted fast youd buy a rex...Quote:
Originally Posted by 7ypeR
and as
yfin said above me, the euro still beats a fair few car with much larger engines...
ive had my go against DC5 type s before, and trust me, he didnt get away...
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Originally posted by 7ypeR
"All I can say (without offending anyone) is that the Euro is a bucket of sh*t from the factory. The kind of slow that makes you not buy the car."
...
I have to disagree with the above statement.
The reason being that most euro buyers realise they are purchasing a "medium sized (and weight)family sedan" and do not expect sports car performance.
That having been said, personally I believe, as many other Euro owners would agree, it is a great car to mod due to the potential of the technology that is built into it.
The lack of power/torque for a car with the euro's potential handling etc is a disapointment for many owners as the car, with similar power to the jtune xtreme package, (from the factory) would make it very competitive in the "sports sedan category" against turbo 4's.
My main gripes with the lack of power/torque in after 1 yr of owning a euro
is the constant downchanging gears around town due to the lack of torque.
Also, with highway driving, using cruise control in 6th gear I manage to get about 6.5L/100k's, however having to change back to 4th or 5th to pass (as 6th gear is useless for this) I find it a nuisance to have to constantly reset the cruise control. Now I've got some mumbo in 6th gear!
Speaking of a 5.0L SS 179kw Commodore VT, I sold mine in January, to be honest I was glad to get rid of it, piece of crap...IMHO
I had traded in a V6 VTi 147kw 98 Accord, great car, crap gearbox.
Anyway, that got me hooked on Honda cars.(Always owned Honda bikes)
The funny thing is Euro, VT SS V8 and 98 Accord VTi all have about the same power to weight ratio.
So, my last 3 cars would all do theoretically approximately the same 400m times.
If I really wanted to get to 100kph as quick as possible I would get a 1000cc road bike and do it in under 3 sec.
Having been used to 6's And V8's, what I was missing was torque.
By upgrading the power on my euro, I am now getting the torque I was after, but also have a damn quick car down the 400m.(for a family car)
Interesting to do a power to weight comparison.
(close enough anyway )
Euro Lux 1440kg - 140kw =10.28kg/kw
Accord VTi V6 1480kg -147kw =10.06kg/kw
VT SS 5.0LV8 1800kg -179kw =10.05kg/kw
07CivicTypeR 1345kg- 148kw =9.08kg/kw
06 Accord V6 1480kg -177kw =8.53kg/kw
Integra TypeR 1160kg -147kw =7.89kg/kw
VZ SS 6L 1660kg -260kw =6.38kg/kw
Euro Lux 1450kg -196kw =7.39kg/kw
(with jtune
xtreme if 40%gain)
Euro Lux 1450kg -182kw =7.96kg/kw
(with jtune
xtreme if 30%gain)
But, personally I was not after a car that would blow off Rexys at the lights, but a car that was tractable at low revs, and not have to be contantly changing gears. Love driving a manual, but lots of traffic and my busted hip and pelvis gives me hell! (note-Honda motorbikes don't have air bags!)
Having ridden large capacity road bikes, I liken it to riding a 1000cc road bike, compared to a 600cc sports bike on which the gearbox gets twice the use to to the revs required.
Anyway, having had the opportunity to do a lot of driving in different conditions this week with the xtreme package, I can honestly say it has exceeded my expectations performance wise.
It has turned my euro into a beast....lol.....almost
Okay, now who's gonna shoot me down?...............:)
Does anyone know what kind/figures of fuel consumption we're looking at with the Jtune extreme?
Haven't done a tankful yet but I've been testing with frequent redlining and my consumption is showing ....10.5L/100k's after half a tank.
I was going to report back after a tankful to do a proper check from full to full.
I live close to many 100k,110k and derestricted zones, hence many full throttle tests to.....ummmm...100kph......well, maybe 110, so I am surprised at the low reading on the odometer.
Damn so much more power and not much more fuel consumption. Soso tempting...........just gotta convince the misses -_-