hey is there any reason your ditching the FD? and replacing it with a DC5S??Quote:
Originally Posted by curtis265
hey is there any reason your ditching the FD? and replacing it with a DC5S??Quote:
Originally Posted by curtis265
i'm not set on it yet, and whether it happens.. it's still slim chance i suppose, but i like the DC5S: leather seats, sunroof, and more power...
oh, and the resale value of the DC5S will stay fairly level over the next few years, but FD's are going down.. fast
nissan silvia is a pos. my grandma's buick smokes it. she actually leaves the house just to go smoke s15s. go dc2r or dc5r cos it's a hondaR. and the r is for racing i don't see a silviaR, and spec r doesn't count, cos that just means that it's a spec r, it's not a TYPE R.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikecivic78
:P:P:P:P:P:P:P so fcking bored right now :P
Go the Type R IMO. Resale will be better than the type S. Depends on what you want, but I think recaros are much better than leather seats (not to mention worth more, as long as they don't get stolen) and the R has a much more aggressive look. But thats just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by curtis265
i sat down reading this thread from front to back while at work lol ... its been a really good read coz the comparisons have been great. but yea i guess im still into the type r phase so yea id go for the dc2, hopefully get one by the end of the year, shud be a good upgrade from my vti-r hehe
its left to right side balanced not front to rear noob....Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
The main issue I have with the DC5R is that there aren't any around up for sale in Victoria that are:
1) Decent KMs
2) Stock
3) No VAFC attached
oh and most of the ads are untruthfully stating "female owner"...which is bullshit. Good luck though.
I wanted a Silvia, but 'settled' for a Teg. More generously, I compromised with a Teg. I'd take the Silvia at the best of times, but if it's at all wet, I'd much rather be in the Teg. Plus, it's better on fuel, more reliable, and just a better all-round daily. Silvias are the better track car, better to mod, and RWD; Tegs, on the other hand, are probably the better daily drivers.
I'd still take the Silvia, given the choice. S13, my first love. Sigh.
thread dig!
Let's say you're going a bit fast in the wet. If you understeer in the RWD car, you could probably get away with it with a bit of throttle and opposite lock. FWD you're more likely to just go straight into that tree or telephone pole. Personally, I'll take the RWD car in the wet. It's heaps of fun. Also the Type R (and I hear tegs in general) the turning circle is terrible. Every U turn is a 3 point turn so for daily duties, if you keep it stock the S15 is no worse in terms of reliability and probably easier to live with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indie
u can only fit a chiwawas in s15 rear seat
I've owned both an s15 and a dc2r. The most likely scenario for an s15 in the wet is oversteer. Which can be difficult to control and avoid with the skinny standard tyres and the power most of them have these days. I would much rather the understeer offered by the integra, which I gather could be counter-acted by some lift off oversteer by a driver that knows what they are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelz
Moving off that, I think the s15 is the better daily driver (which has already been said). Suspension is more compliant, it's quieter, more responsive and overall baring the 'issues' in the wet, easier to live with. With the dc2r imo you get a nicer gearshift, a much nicer, less coarse sounding (although peaky) engine and nicer seats and steering wheel. As a drivers car, I think the dc2r is easier to drive fast stock, but in the end is still a fwd. You get negative feedback through the wheel (tugging etc) you just don't get in a rwd and on the limit it still understeers (at least with the stock setup).
I currently own the dc2r and wouldn't say one is 'better' than the other, they are just different :thumbsup:
When ppl say 50/50 they usually meant front/rear. Every car is virtually 50/50 left and right...noob, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by infurNOS
You are entitled to your opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by Indie
But i think its rubbish.
The dog???Quote:
Originally Posted by tiah313
You mean chihuahua
EVLGTR 1 - infurNOS 0Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Whoa some serious BS happening here..
whoever said any type R is for daily? that's the funniest thing i've heard all day!
and 50/50 left/right balance... I'd be worried if it wasn't
Must be an ordinary day, can only be uphill from here :wave: Alot of people can't afford to own and run two cars (myself included), and in this case where we are talking about two very good sports cars which are hard to separate otherwise, the liveability may become an important and even deciding factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by curtis265
sorry, i meant great for daily, didn't mean that you hadto own 2 cars lol
Don't get an s15 unless you have had experience driving a FR turbo car in the wet, my friend sold his dc2r to me, he then bought my friends s15 which was immaculate and cheap, stacked it the night he got it doing 60 on a normal road, due to being given the car with rear tyres with low tread, and not having any experience with FR turbo in the wet, no insurance(LOL) and the car was a write off(wrapped around a tree). He then bought a DC5R and has been more than happy.
To be entirely honest with you, as much potential turbo cars are, they are headaches. My friends s15 has had that many issues it isn't funny. I had it for today, it makes like 220kws atw and after giving it back to him I was glad to get back in my dc2r.
Out of the box, aus s15 are shit. Not saying I had a go with my friends jap spec s15 when it was stock and my type r was stock... But he didn't beat me "if we had a go"
Anyways... As for the aus spec, can't see it being better than a dc2 or dc5
For dc2 vs dc5, there are numerous threads On it and it's all about preference
Dc2r = raw type r
I love my type r.
Okay, what claims would your refute then? Or are you just being a dickhead?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
Probably. He is bludger after all :)
he disagrees with what the rest of have disagreed with
All comes down to personal choice dude, i've owned a dc2r, and a nissan similar, a 180sx.. reason why i moved was because i loved the look of nissans, stock and modified, and i've got into drifting
and yes, turbos are nightmares but it is also worth it,a dn when people say fuel economy, it depends the way you drive, i've got 600kms out of one tank if feathering it, same with my dc2r
reliability.. honda will always win, but i like working on cars. plus a second car does help
I havent read most of the feedbacks since there are 9 pages. This is just my 2c.
DC2R - Nice looking car, may be showing its age in terms of looks but I still love it and would take it over a dc5r anyday.
DC5R - Isn't this just the equavalent of the Acura RSX ? No brembos, detuned engine etc ? I love the looks as well but the dash and the console is a little plain for my liking. Don't particulary like the silver dials either. I have never considered a DC5R purely because of these reasons.
S15 - Sexy car but I think theres quite a lot out there on the road. Passengers at the back need their legs amputated to fit.
At the end of the day, I think its up to you whether you want a FR or FF ? I think FF is more forgiving if you make a mistake of going too fast in the corner. Probaly better for newer drivers. I have many friends who drove FR turbo cars and I would say 70% of them have lost control and stacked the car. Some not as bad as others. As for the long road ahead, if you plan on doing up the cars (performance wise), turbo cars would be cheaper to mod. With just a turbo back exhaust, you can feel a big difference. Also another 200-300 for a 2nd hand AVCR. With NA, it's gonna cost a bit to get gains. I guess just chucking in a pod filter + cat back aint gonna see big gains. Stuff like cams, cam gears, extractors, intake manifold, etc + tune can accumulate to a significant amount. Also VTEC roar vs BOV sound ? which do you prefer ?? :D
Control in the wet? Anyone driving like an idiot can and will lose it, regardless what car you're in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indie
It is all to do with self control and being responsible on the road.
Fuel economy again has all to do with the driver and your right foot.
you can baby both cars for the whole tank and get good figures for both or......
You could go flat stick on both cars for the whole tank and get anal fuel consumption.
It's up to your right foot.
I agree with you Honda is more reliable in general.
I think the Nissan is still a very reliable car when in stock form.
Once you start modifying then that goes out the window. But that goes for any car.
I don't think the Honda is a better daily, I think you have them the wrong way around.
dc2r if you get in and out of then properly (without ****ing up the recaro bolster) it is a hard task
Suspension stiffer, no drive-ability under four thousand RPM, Very low final drive meaning very high revs at highway speed, etc.
Stock for stock, Nissan better daily for sure. Out of the factory they make them for the average Joe blow. Better to mod, maybe. It's personal choice and preference. I don't think it's a better track car either.
If you're talking modified then maybe its better for track.
Higher chance of losing it in the wet when it's FR turbo compared to FF N/A it aren't rocket science
dc2r = driver involvement, more feedback.
/Again, only when you're driving like a lunatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightKids
If one is responsible and drives to the conditions then there is zero chance of losing control.
Have you actually driven an s15, particularly a stock one? I agree with NightKids, he only said 'higher chance' anyway. I had my s15 drifting with any throttle over 3000rpm around a corner in the wet, after nicking some white paint on the road, after having to change down gears mid corner due to issues in front of me or unknown roads. Whilst you could say most of these are driver errors, no one can always be the perfect driver and often the situations come about due to circumstances out of a driver's control. I've encountered similar situations in a dc2r with absolutely no probs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
I've heard from mates there a big improvements in grip going up to say 255 tyres on the back though, so I'd definitely be recommending wider treads for a s15 buyer.
I agree with Bludger, I don't agree with your opinion. Your points don't make sense. Let me break in down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Indie
1. DC2r more reliable: unmodded Nissans are almost just as reliable as Hondas.
2. Silvia is better track car: Not in stock form. DC2r is hands down a better track car.
3. RWD: depends on the suspension setup. Drifting is not the be all of driving.
4. Teg is better daily drive: (this one is the worst, obviously you haven't driven a DC2r) Integra's ride is harsh, while s15 is soft. How can it be a better daily?
How are stock dc2r suspension "harsh"?? softest suspension for a semi "sports" kind of car..
LOL yeah i wanna ask that question too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RR-04-RR
lol fi you're worried about suspension then none of this 3 cars would be an option, go buy a luxury car or harden up
I'm only running 10f/8r springs on near maxed stiff on my shocks on my 180, not uncomfortable at all
Let me reiterate. Harsh for some people. 'Firm' would be a better description. Ride comfort is a matter of opinion. DCR ride is quite firm for a production car ( personally I like it so i don't need to harden up mate ).Quote:
Originally Posted by RR-04-RR
In stock form, s15 is a better daily. Suspension is softer and unlike the DC2R, it doesn't have a lightened flywheel, which can be annoying in peak hour.
You can't refute that.
so if you like the ride confort and type r clutches are light, then why not go for a Type R?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikecivic78
how does a lighten flywheel affect peak hour traffic? you're talking about the pressure plate of a s15? is so,they are light too.
Have you test driven both cars or just asking for everyones opinions?
Yea, I've test driven both cars thoroughly bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by RR-04-RR
If you haven't noticed the thread is over 7 months old.
Due to reduction in work hours and other factors, I decided to keep my Em1 since. Someone just revived the thread recently after months of no replies.
Lend me 4k and I'll happily buy a DC2R if you are so passionate about it.
Yes i noticed that this thread is old, but yet you still replied with a comment regarding dc2r vs s15 .you said nothing about "work hours and other factors" so people were still assuming you were on the hunt and so thats why i replied to this thread.
I loved my dc2r, but i sold it and bought a nissan due to personal choice, i didnt want to start a thread about pros and cons
Any car can lose it when you're driving like a lunatic. I think you're missing the key point "higher chance"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
Mid range with the turbo kicking in = more dangerous in the wet.
Lol this thread is just pointless
Made a thread of what to get and never got one
Dude you need to harden up if you think a dc2r isn't a comfortable daily. The suspension I don't think would bother anyone
And a lightweight flywheel being an issue for peak hour? Ummm I got a toda fly and you don't notice it.
If you don't want to hear what some people think, even if it is not what you hear because you find it offensive don't post.
I had a stage 3 clutch and flywheel and drove in peak hour, but hey I'm a man
Get over yourself. "I'm a man". Just keep telling yourself that and maybe u might believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CRXDEL501
This is a comparison thread of similarly priced Jap cars (except Dc2r, which is slightly cheaper ). Underemployment and married life stopped me from upgrading (I'm not a teen living with the pares), but there's been some interesting posts over the last 7 months.
And I'm open to all opinions, even if they are crap.
If you don't like it then go to thread tools and click 'unsubscribe'.
yeah, your right, there has been no interesting points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikecivic78
like i said, it was pointless.
get it deleted since its not relevant since you have an em1
Having an em1 doesn't allow me to compare other cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by CRXDEL501
Why are u still posting?
Be gone.
DC2R is fine as a daily, the suspension really is not that stiff and alot of reviews go on about the level of noise because the car has no sound deadening...this is all bs unless you are comparing it to something like a Euro which is a totally different class of car. I think someone also said something about recaros being bad for a daily car as they are hard to get in and out of? Seriously it really is not that difficult unless you are a "big" kind of person. Everyone who gets in my car gets shown the right way to get in and out of the recaros anyways, if they dont like it they can always walk :)
I have pro c's in my car, I consider this "harsh" suspension but hey I have sacrificed comfort for handling. The only time it slightly annoys me is when I'm driving for a couple of hours straight. Other than that it does not bother me tbh :)
Agreed Josh. My point before was that a stock s15 makes a softer daily, some dudes seemed to have missed that.
IMO DC2R suspension is great. Not too extreme and good ride height for stock. We're both slim guys so Recaros aren't an issue, but can be for corpulent folks.
Had a drive in Beeza's car with bc coils and actually it was fairly comfy. He is running 15s and lower tyre pressure and lives in an area with nice smooth roads. DC2R suspension is fine around brissy's crap b roads, but coilovers I can at times be a bit rough.
Actually I've noticed that ITR rear swaybar can make the rear a bit crashy though, maybe more so than firm shockies and springs. Still, the handling makes up for it so I can live with the missus' whining lol.
Josh your car is MUCH comfier than I was expecting. And the Recaros are seriously awesome.
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Originally Posted by Mikecivic78
Lol ok mate.
Yeah who would have thought... And we have people crying about stock suspension. PfftQuote:
Originally Posted by Vvvtec
I want a ride Josh!!
in a nutshell..all cars sold to the public is fine for daily driving, given that they are factory standard and that the person who bought the car knows exactly what the hell they are getting themselves into. Very few cars are exempt but the cars mentioned by op are definately fine for daily. Seriously guys, if u want comfy dont buy a jap 'sports' car or a sports car for that matter.
Seriously, I'd be happy with all three cars. (and suspension wise too- my comments have been totally misinterpreted.)
They are all performance bargains and all in the sub $18K mark. GC8 is another competitor, and a well worthy challenger, even though it's not a coupe.
Yeah, I was the one that said something similar to that.......Quote:
Originally Posted by jks24
I think it's not that hard to get in and out of, but if you want to enter and exit properly without damaging the bolsters then it does take a bit more effort than usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
What I do is (getting into the drivers seat) place my right arm on the A pillar whilst putting my left leg in first. I then slide myself in, lifting my whole body and thigh up over the bolster, body weight supported by my right arm on the A pillar.
Getting out I put my right hand on the side running board/scuff plate. (the long black plastic thing above the side skirt) Twisting my body to the right, pushing myself up with the right arm. Up and over the bolster.
Seriously the dc2r is not a bad daily car, any stock unmodified car is ok for daily as someone said. But we are here to nit pick and compare the 3 with each other.
exactly the same as what I do to get in and out of my car and the bolsters on mine have not been damaged in anyway since I got the seats (no fat chicks)......it really is a fine art hey :) Also the factory arm rest in the EM1 comes in handy when climbing out of the car and I believe the low rails make it easier also particularly when getting out of the seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
My drivers side door locking mechanism has been broken though for a few weeks now so I have had to perfect climbing in the passengers side and then climbing out of the seat over the handbrake and into the drivers seat lol.
Offtopic but back when I was in the market for a DC2R I came across a guy who used to iron his recaros...they were mint nice yellow ones
Another thing I hate is how the seatbelt wears the suede on the top of the seat :(
haha atm the dampner is only on like 6....it goes to 12 lol. If I drive over a manhole/rough bit of road it makes my CD jump sometimesQuote:
Originally Posted by Vvvtec
All worth it though didnt you say my car looks like its glued to the road haha:D
Haha sure did man! From behind, when you turn into a corner with some speed it looks like your car is on rails :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jks24