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My Euro is now a year old and 35,000k. It has been amazing in all respects. NO rattles, noises (other than the throaty alfa like exhaust note :)). It has been far better in terms of fit and finish and rattles/noise than German cars of the year (ie current) that I have driven and been in.
Cheers
No calls or e mails yet from Honda ...I will keep you posted.
I have been waiting for 3 weeks now,but really frustrated.
I have 2 rattles driving me crazy,2 resolved issues,and the days,weeks,and months are flying by.
I sent Graeme Smith at the Herald Sun motoring section a letter,lets see if this gets any response.
I have said that I love the comfort,styling,performance and driveability of the car,but have been really disapointed with the build quality.
But what is worse is that NO after sales from Honda.
I wonder why they have fallen to 10th place on the new vehicle sales ???
I bhave been extremely patient,and all that I want is a perfect,rattle free car.
By the way,this was a MASSIVE purchase by me,I would hate to have to get rid of it because it frustrates me every day...
i have rattles too coming from the boot area, even driving at 20km/h! :( the rattle has been going on since the first week i picked up the car.
was going to get it investigated during the first month's service last saturday at hornsby honda but was told it would have to be on a weekday to do so.
mine is a january 2010 build lux navi.
i think i should have insisted on getting a golf gti, at least if there is a rattle the exhaust and engine notes would overpower it :)
My 4 previous cars were VW products,and all very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by natnat
If these rattles continue,guess what my next brand of car will be ???
My Euro was built on the 16th of April 2010,MY11.
I have also owned a Ford and Holden,and we have had many Toyotas,BMWs,Mercedes,and Audis in the family...with VERY few issues.
The BMWs have probably been the worst,Toyotas and VWs the best.
Toyota Rav4 was the car i owned the longest, 9 yrs! The only issue was the rear left spring was squaking due to friction to its seating, but was fixed easily.
This Euro, even driving on smooth car park surface the rattle is still happening when i turn the car at low 10kmh speed. This is very annoying especially being a quiet car (i would imagine Honda put a lot of sound deadening materials inside those thick doors) the very noise it creates is coming from the boot.
I also notice a part of the leather on the front seat seems creased compared to the remaining of the trim. I am not sure if this is done purposely or it was a mediocre off cut that they decided to stitch to the seat anyway.
Sorry to hear that rattle Nat. Mine is January 2010 built euro as well, but mine is base model bought from the same dealer as you bought it from.. Take it to rick damelian to fix the rattle, the downside is you may have to take a day off for this...Regarding the leather seat, i think good idea you take a photo of the seat part you mentioend got creased and put it here, then others got luxuary model may compare and tell its normal or not, then you can ask the dealer to change the leather wrap for the seat as well..Quote:
Originally Posted by natnat
Good luck...
wow what a coincidence! Maybe on the 16th April the factory workers came in to work hung over or something??Quote:
Originally Posted by antony
I would insist that Honda sees a picture of the seat,because my seat also had creases in it,and to cut a long story short,I eventually got a brand new seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by natnat
Well things are starting to roll...
Honda apparently never received my e mail,so I sent another...lets give them the benefit of the doubt...
My dealer heard the vibration today,said it sounds like a metallic sound...
Anyhow,the plan of action is that it is booked in from the 3rd of Novemver for a week,and the service technitian will use my car,and try figure out whats causing these rattles...
i found the culprit that is causing the rattle. it is like a squarish metal piece attached to underneath of the rear parcel, between the sub and left speaker and just behind the middle safety belt roller plastic enclosure. anyone know what this thing is for? looks heavy and there is no cable attached, looks almost like a weight. when i bang onto it gently i can hear the same rattles, sound like something is loose inside.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1160/...b0cc3f8f37.jpg
Yep mate, I can help you there. That 'thing' is called the "Rear Parcel Shelf Dynamic Damper - With Premium Sound System".Quote:
Originally Posted by natnat
The idea is that it is supposed to help offset and damp the vibration created by the sub-woofer. I also found that mine was a bit noisy, but its not actually loose, it will most likely be the spot welds around it giving off that annoying 'Crack' noise that they do.
What I did with mine was to carefully apply some load to the damper with a BIG screwdriver and distort the rear shelf panel. You will proably hear the cracking and creaking noises as you do it. After giving it a tweak, thump the underside of the parcel shelf with the heel of your hand and see if the 'noise' has diminished, or better still gone away.
If, on the other hand, the damper really is loose then the only way to deal with that is to remove the rear parcel shelf and tighten the retaining bolt. Removing the rear shelf is not that difficult if you want to have a go yourself, but you will need to spend approx $25 on two new retaining pins for the 'C' pillar trims which have to be removed. These pins are a one-use item. Better still, take it to your dealer and get them to do it :)
I managed to get mine quiet by tweaking the spot welds, but then ended up pulling out the rear parcel shelf and physically removing the joke of a factory sub-woofer and installing a Focal vented sub box in the boot. Along with my other big Focal speaker upgrade this gave the best result.
Anyway, good luck. Glad that you were able to identify the culprit.
Cheers.
PS: Just thought of something. Get someone to climb in the back seat and pull sharply on the third seat belt and 'lock' it. Then try hitting the damper and see if the noise has gone. If so, then the rattle could be the mechanism or mounting of the seat belt retractor, which is mounted just forward of the damper weight.
My baby has been great this week.
The left front vibration is gone...
The technician apparently tightened the door stopper,whatever that is,and that seems to have cured that one...
I hope so,because it has transformed the car into how it is meant to be...super quiet and refined.
So really enjoyed it a lot...
My enjoyment was short lived,as the vibration is well and truly back,especially when going over cats eyes with the front left tyre.
I had to call Honda Australia today.
It is going in next Wesnesday for a week.
Lets see what happens........................
Took my car in today...sob...so that the technician can use it himself,and try to get to the bottom of all these issues.
They have given me a Black new Jazz to use for the week.
How's the jazz? Does it rattle?Quote:
Originally Posted by antony
I've had a 08 civic and that rattled a bit here and there over bumps, the euro is more solid but it has its occassional tiny rattle over bumps too. I reckon every car does if you concentrate or are sensitive enough to try and hear it.
The Jazz sounds okay.
My rattles have been more than the average sounds one hears when going over bumps,etc.
When your left door is vibrating,there is clearly something wrong......................
Sue Honda Aust for loss of night sleeps, inconvenience (having to go back many times to service), disturbance to sanity, etc etc.... and ask for $100k compensation. then buy an IS350 F-Sport. Fixed :)
and another thing, having almost slipped on the Woolies fruit / veg section because your mind had been severely distracted by the rattles :P (and sue Woolies too for $750k)
Ha ha,thats funny.
No natnat,I dont want to sue anyone...and I dont want a Lexus,would prefer a Euro luxury with satnav...lol.
My dealership called today to say the left vibration has been FIXED,it was not in the door panel,but something to do with the left front seat,and is perfect.
They will keep it for another couple of days ,and try rectify the intermittant rattle.
I have made a lot of noise,but think things are finally happening............
I want my Euro back,am missing it after the Jazzy Jazz.
Wow, what a story, antony. Am following it with great interest. I was about to buy a new Euro Lux Navi to replace my 1999 Civic Coupe.....but kinda put off by the idea now.
I dont know Alpine, i have no issues with my Euro its My10, Jan 2010 built, bought in April this year. I believe Anthony might be the few unlucky with the rattle...
SInce Honda reduced the price by 2k, you can get a very good deal with negotiation.
Well I am pleased to say that I collected my car today,and the left vibration is FIXED.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpine
It had nothing to do with the door panel,it was the seat conrtol on the left front seat,which was vibrating.
I will update you on the intermittant RHS one,as that has not happened in about 3 weeks.
Alpine,the Euro is great,I looked at every new car on the market,but fell in love with this.It looks brilliant,is very comfortable,is great to drive,and goes so well...nippy,smooth,quiet,and reasonably economical.
It is not perfect,but which car is ???
It is such a good price now too,I say GO FOR IT,take the plunge.
Thanks guys.........I haven't checked this forum for a few months. Then stumbled upon a post -I think by Irving.??
Yes, I am one of the luckless CU2 Lux owners with a pinging power plant @2000-3,500 rpm's.
Yes, I complained to :honda:
Yes, I had 3 "patch fixes"
Yes,I complained to the dealer (numerous times and threatened leal action:zip:)
Yes, I complained to Fair Trading
I always use to use Caltex Vortex 98 ROM.:thumbdwn:
But, I read some ones post here about Ultima.......ran the tank down to 15 kms.
Then filled the tank with Ultima
BINGO :):):):):):):):):):):)
Loads more power..... 7.1l /100kms(country) and LITTLE or no fkcukn PINGING.
I really gave it a good boot up Mt Ousley yesterday for the true test in S-mode and she lapped it up.
So its Ultima for me from now on. God knows whats in it ??/ I thought all petrol came out of the same Cat Cracker and we were just marketed different brands.
I still have a bitter taste in my mouth over the contempt from HA to me as a customer.
I have made damn sure lots of people know about how shite they are.
BUT- as they say in the Thai massage shops :
I got Happy Ending:eek:
I must admit that with my dealings with Honda,they were pretty useless,and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth too....
seems lots of CU2 owners have a few annoying quality issues. I get the occassional intermiitent rattle, but only very occassional otherwise id go nuts but stil not good enough. and my ashtray/cigarette lighter compartent is not flush and true and you needs a bit of jiggling and pushing to open and close sometimes.
my main problem now are the speakers. not even a year old and i get a distorted sound..driving me nuts.....has anyone had a similar problem or experience before i give the dealer a hearing problem?
There have been a few reports, in this forum, of speakers blowing, some repeatedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by tumblingdice
So if your's have, then definitely take it back.
They will replace it under the warranty.
Wow
My friend is a racer and has his own workshop with his dad, and a while back he did some tests on different fuels. I can't remember all the results but i know BP was at the top and Caltex near the bottom. At the moment i use caltex 95 or 98, but after he told me the results and hearing your story i might make the switch.
As for Accord Euros, my Dad's is approaching a year old and it hasn't had any problems at all. I first thought it had a speaker problem but it turned out that the input volume on my ipod was too high for the car's stereo so we had to turn down the ipod and turn up the stereo, and it was all good.
Then your mates decides to screw with you by replacing lexus badge with toyotas... just for lolsQuote:
Originally Posted by natnat
As far as I remember Caltex Vortex and BP Ultimate are out of the same refinery in Sydney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubes
BP Ultimate has got more "stuff" added to it which is why it's good/better.
I think the current packing order is:
BP Ultimate > Caltex Vortex > Shell V-power
Funnily enough, shell V-power is refined overseas (from New Zealand or Singapore can't remember which)... so it's not exactly 'fresh' when it arrives, and I think the octane rating deteriorates over time...
I want the 100 Ron Optimax back tho.
Since shipping my CU2 to the UK, I have been using Shell V - Power and BP Ultimate which is rated at minimum 97 Octane. The BP Ultimate is superior IMO and there is NO PCS.
Unlike Ozzie V-Power, the stuff here seems a bit better and the car is less prone to PCS (invoking PCS is quite difficult). My choice is BP Ultimate as there seems to be an added advantage in fuel economy.
Well the UK V-power is made locally... ours is like weeks old by the time it gets here... go figureQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I am interested to know if the harsher cleaning addictive in the BP Ultimate has any negative effect on engine oil...
PS: You SHIPPED a CU2 from here to UK?!? Why don't you just get a 2.2 turbo diesel lol:D
Shell V-Power in Sydney was pretty crappy to say the least. Caltex was much better and BP ultimate holds together with better economy (atleast in a pinging CU2). I discussed this several times in the past....
The additives in BP Ultimate has a cumulative effect on the engine and is supposed to improve combustion thus improving fuel efficiency. That's what I remember about it. Can look it up again if you wish.
Shipped the CU2 because they cost a bloody fortune over here LOL....Maybe I will trade it in for a BMW 5 Series LOL :thumbsup: or a three year old Merc S Class....:thumbsup:
VW PHAETON!!!! BEST CAR EVER MADE! (lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
PS: You SHIPPED a CU2 from here to UK?!? Why don't you just get a 2.2 turbo diesel lol:D[/QUOTE]
I do believe european cars such as BMW or Merc are same price or just slightly higher than our Euro model. If you check BMW uk website, you can get a 5 series BMW for around 35k uk pounds(here the basic 5series is 95k aus$), where the japanese made our Honda accord (which is euro here) cost 31k pounds..
Honda always has been a bit more executive/upmarket than other Japanses brands tho... the euro accord is in the executive market, competing with A4's and C5's etc. Our accord Euro is their top spec, because we got the 2.4 liter, and europe got 2.0 liter as standardQuote:
Originally Posted by praja6
Europe has a WAYYYYYY more robust and competitive 'non-dealer' sales network, car brokers etc, just pick up a UK version of Top gear magazine and flip to the advertisement section.
Unlike Australia (God bless the EU) car dealer dont just have to compete with ther car deals in your city/state. but car dealers from OTHER EU member countries as well. hence they are much more willing to bargain.
Consider this:
HONDA ACCORD 2.4 i-VTEC EX 4dr Auto - £24,501(AU$37,709) drive away, £2,614 off RRP
*Band K emissions, you'd be effing MAD to buy it tho, gonna cost arm/leg to run.
BMW 3 SERIES 320i M Sport 4dr Step Auto - £24,010 (AU$35,844) drive away, £5,320 off RRP
*Band G emissions, better than above
Now you know why there is More BMW 3's than god damn Modeos in UK lol
If you also consider the second hand car market in the UK, European cars such as BMW, Mercedes etc are going at bargain basement prices compared to Hondas.
When comparing European cars to Jap cars you also need to consider the following:
Japanese Yen:GBP and Euro:GBP and ofcourse how strong the A$ is atm
Irving,I did not realise you moved to the UK.
I beleive the Accord,our Euro,has a brilliant reputation there,and has been rated as the most reliable car for a few years now.
Do you see many Accords ???
I beleive that VW is also massive in the UK ???
Nah thats Skoda, they've been holding that title for like 3 years lolQuote:
Originally Posted by antony
I have only seen a few CU2s on the roads. there is only one (demonstrator) at the local :honda:dealer, so, if you want one, it will have to be ordered.... Loads of Civics though.
:honda: reputation is pretty strong here with secondhand prices holding up much better than luxury German cars....
No ,Which ? and What car magazines rate the Accord as tops,and Honda as a manufacturer rates very highly in general in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
The Skoda is basically a poor VW...
Quote:
Originally Posted by antony
We're talking about ownership surveys here, tho, just to name a few...Quote:
Originally Posted by antony
What Car? - Reader Awards 2010 - Best Manufacturer
2009 Auto Express - Driver Power Survey Best manufacturer
2008 Auto Express - Driver Power Survey Overall winner
2007 Auto Express - Driver Power Survey Overall winner
2009 JD Power - Customer Satisfaction Octavia: Best Family Car
2008 JD Power - Customer satisfaction Survey, 2nd (lexus 1st, honda 3rd)
2007 JD Power - Customer satisfaction Survey, 2nd (lexus 1st, honda tied 2nd)
Skoda maybe a part of the VAG group...but it's by no means poor, have you sat in the new Superb?
Not that I'm taking it out on Honda but Skoda is like selling cars with quality of Honda's (and interior plastic quality that puts the MB C-class to shame) at the price of Hyundai/Toyota....
I mean do you remember on top gear what Clarkson said about Honda's in general? he refer them as 'pensioner' mobiles.
Despite all the cool stuff Honda had built, s2k/integras/nsx 'n' all, you'd most likely see a pensioner in a Jazz on UK roads than a cool dude in a s2k or Accord.
10-15 years ago, if I wanted a reliable and economical car in UK i'd probably get a Honda, but now there are more choices.
Skoda Superb won Fifth Gear's 2010 Family car of the year.
http://fwd.five.tv/fifth-gear/videos...ear-award-2010
Fifth Gear's Tif and Viki also raced a CU2 in a 24 hour Le Mans race (although I recall that they had some issues with the after market ECU...)
As for Top Gear....LOL Just an Entertainment show now.....(Oh let's watch Clarkson do another burnout) Yawn!!!!
I am by no means knocking VW,I have had 4 of their products,and was very impressed.
The last one was a 2007 Jetta,which was in some ways better than the Euro...
Better rear legroom,much deeper boot,more features for the money,and more economical.
The Euro has many advantages over the Jetta too,but I think they are both excellent products.
As far as sales volumes go,VW seems to be very aggressive worldwide,whereas Honda seem to be a bit asleep.eg...Where is the diesel Euro,surely it would be a big hit in Australia ???