u sure its not all noise? lol makes u think ur going faster then u really are going lol?? ...
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u sure its not all noise? lol makes u think ur going faster then u really are going lol?? ...
ur cousin have stock exhaust?
like i said, both cars stock.. just the filter is the difference
Dyno comparisons would have been better than a street race.
i heard u cant dyno a gruppem to see the exact output..
anywaiz no use dyno at this time cars are stock.. hopefully my cams and hondata come soon :D
You can dyno to measure the gain in power (which is what makes your car accelerate harder). But you cannot dyno for throttle response, which is the main benefit of the GruppeM over the CAI-type intakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by XP02ED
very nice....
that is correct to some extent, a dyno pull will show that the gruppeM has gains over the OEM airbox, this is obvious.... however, the gruppeM intake works on the concept of extracting air from a low pressure pocket which equates to lower intake air temperature... a dyno pull cannot replica this situation... so i guess someone could use the dyno pull to figure out the most minimum gain from the intake???Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Low pressure pocket = low air density though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mst_Mugen
sorry man... but low pressure pocket does not equal low air density, its the opposite... as a general basis, the lower the air pressure, means the lower the air temperature, which means the more dense the air is... which therefore means: extracting air from a low pressure pocket = extracting air that is colder than ambient which will equate to more air molecules filling up the cylinder = a bigger combustionQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
which brings me back to my original point, the full potential power output of a gruppeM can only be reached while the car is in motion
you guys should date! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Mst_Mugen
Im getting my GruppeM under 800 that rocks
Are you telling me that your GruppeM is able to create a low temperature pocket just in front of your windscreen? The reason why the GruppeM has good gains is because the stock DC5 intake is located right next to the engine and gets warmed up very easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mst_Mugen
The reason why you don't see the gains on the dyno is because the fan is blowing into your front bar and not at your windscreen! :zip:
the GruppeM intake draw air from the windscreen and that is where they found to be of lowest air temp. that's what they claim
sorry man?? i dont quite understand wat ur tryin to say??? the gruppeM has exactly the same mounting points as the OEM airbox, meaning its in the same location... the only difference is the material incorporated in the design and the position in which air is extracted... LOL, u know wat, it doesnt even matter... GRUPPEM IS KING, ALL OTHER INTAKES ARE POO!! *flame suit on* :pQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
the only way on paper to tell if a mod works is to put the car on the dyno with a "before and after" comparison. Including sensor readouts for IAT , CO2 etc too.
Everything else is up to the driver to judge ( throttle response etc etc etc)
There will be someone with dyno sheet soon as I believe more than 10 people are buying gruppem intake due to the price.
belgarage turns on a massive fan when dyno ing ram intakes cars
Which would no where near replicate the amount of air you would get when you are actually driving. Dynos only give you a rough idea of what they intake does for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by EL_DC5
Another good comparsion between intakes is the IAT.
Yeah that great I didn't say anything contradicting that, Still dyno with the fan is better than no fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeMp
I just noticed they did that and thought it would be a good point to share
i agree with temp, which if you dyno a gruppem in aint going to give you the best result which only give you an estimated result...
i can drive at say 2am with fog and hella cold it screams like a muthafecka
Any Type S guys here got this yet?
Mine is on the way from Jap LandQuote:
Originally Posted by RyDC5S
Japan only rival Germany in cars
Yep, have had the Gruppe-M on my Type S for about 3 weeks now, looks and preforms great! Wouldn't change it for any other intake system :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by RyDC5S
my i ask how much you got it forQuote:
Originally Posted by Mattski_VTIR
mattski, share some pics ;D and your review!
i serzly would pay the cost of a gruppem its worth every penny
Very reassuring answer! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattski_VTIR
I'm still waiting on some more parts ( been waiting a long time too :( ), then i will post up some pic's :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by XP02ED
hahah aiight,
how does it feel when going o 4th and 5th rev? before vtec kicks in? does it rawr ?
As the revs climb over 3500rpm to 5500rpm at full throttle there is a definite raw coming from the intake, as it hits 6000rpm though it screams all the way to rev limiter. :thumbsup: I find the intake is only "loud" at low revs when under heavy load
Sounds more responsive - what exhaust do you use?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattski_VTIR
I would say that the intake has definitely helped with throttle response :thumbsup: at the moment i'm currently running stock exhaust! Still waiting on a full Toda exhaust to arrive (hopefully be here soon)
Do u notice a bit more power as well?
I would say there is definitely an improvement made in the higher rev range (7000rpm through to redline) The engine revs more freely and seems to pull harder (again only in the top end of the rev range) I think a more noticable gain would be made once the engine is freed up from the standard exhaust. (by this i mean i believe they will better complement each other as the engine is still choked up by stock header etc) Once i get the exhaust i might install the standard air box to do a better comparison between the two.
Cheers
did we notice more power?
F*K YES! its the BEST intake!
i wna see pics of others! or even vids !
how did everyone purchase this from hoya, wired transfer or credit card? Commonwealth bank cant found the branch "EKODA" which is on the invoice hoya sends out.
i paid via wire transfer
let me see my history details for you
Heres what i found :
Name GRUPPEM INC.
Telephone Number +81-3-3953-4116
Bank Name Bank Of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, Ltd., The (Head Office)
Bank City (or Region) Tokyo
Bank Branch EKODA
Account Number 0910539
SWIFT Code BOTKJPJTXXX
Payment Description xp02ed (dc5Rintake)
I payed wif Credit Card, its safer I think. if you dont get your purchase they investigate and pay you back.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikul_ha
i got a Question for people with the intake..
Does it seem for you to drink more petrol?
it seems i was gettin about 500- 550km previously
get about 400-450 with it now
thats a tank
I got an S and it always has done 400 - 450 only once on a long trip on Shell V-power did i even get close to 500.Quote:
Originally Posted by XP02ED
My Belief is that BP Ultimate = More Power(torque-i-er) Shell V-Power = more Km's
Personally i didn't see any noticeable change in fuel consumption with the intake.
BP Ultimate gives me more KM.
The intake didn't eat my petrol, I wasn't getting alot of KM because i Vtec it like every day. Got to love at vrrrrrrroooooBWWWWWAMMMMMMP sound. :D
Yes you have to love that sound :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by [RSX 03]
ooo aiight yeh i seem to only reach 350km now coz i keep vtecn hahahaha its like addictive :D
anyone else purchased it of hoya? show some installed pics!
i placed an order yesterday. I'll get some pics up if I could be f~cked. lol
i'll also compare how it performs against the injen. no dyno or anything, just based on feeling. lol
good because i am very interested in dfifferences in perforamce between the two!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikul_ha
injen and groop m performs on the same level.
people says the injen gives a good 8kw @ wheels.
injen is bang for you buck.
groop m hurts your pocket, but gives a good shag. + JDM Bling appeal...
How do you shag your air intake? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by [RSX 03]
hehehe...Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
8=======D inside the scoop. :eek:
My GruppeM finally here, Got to pic it up from POST office tho.
how long does it take to install??
Can be installed neatley in less than an hour! Could be done faster, but i do recomend spending the time to fit the foam tape!
I Bought my GruppeM for $780.00 Delivered. Thats Bang for buck considering BelGarage wanted 1400 and toda wanted 1500Quote:
Originally Posted by [RSX 03]
:cool: Hoya Rocks:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
nice, you could get it cheaper, if you knew the right connection *wink wink*Quote:
Originally Posted by EL_DC5
I have got my mugen for $730 delivered.. thanks to some nice people :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [RSX 03]
hahah vippy his talking about GruppM though :D
cmon guys pic pic pic!
sex...
need my shit out of the way so i can finally start modding
nice!
review :D how u like it?
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
as far as we know gruppe-m would perform the same as an injen/aem system. the difference is negligible unless proven otherwise
how else are you going to prove an intake which relies it on being on a driving motion towards air?
:eek: :eek: :eek: = my review :DQuote:
Originally Posted by XP02ED
hhaha! bro i painted the indicators we swapped to black BWAHH my cars so dark now :D
Nice :)
Hey guys. I installed my GruppeM but i have a question. Did you guys have to install any extra stuff to hold the intake firmer.
I have to say that the cowl top provided was of inferior quality, It was not cut to fit properly the lines are still there to be cut on some sections i had to sand off about 12mm off and it does not sit properly on the . It is off the glass about 6mm, there where also scratch marks on it, small but visible.
I also need some advise on the v clamp, it does not clamp down hard enough the filter is not tight in between the filter case and the lower case.
hmm my cowl top was perfect, fitted well no problem at all!
the clamp should be tight enough although it may move a little, but mine is setup different to your standard piping as mine doesnt move coz im using the knn typhoon pipe
Ok I got one for my EP3! Will I need modifying since the kit is actually for my car?
Nah dude no modification
im not sure with ep3 but im pretty sure no major mods needed just the cowl top on the passenger side needs to be changed
I told Hoya about the cowl top. He said to send him some pics and he will see whart he can do. Hopefully he will send me a replacement cowl top:p .Quote:
Originally Posted by XP02ED
I found a honda problem last night. I'm missing the screw that holds the bracket to the engine for the Brace 0323. I now know why there is so much movement.
ah there should be a bracket which bolts onto the intake which holds it up, that shouldnt be missing at all! unless you forgot to put it on :p
take some pics and show us
U miss understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by XP02ED
GruppeM supplies a brace called ( Brace 0323 ), which is screwed onto a bracket(which held the original air box). that bracket has a bolt that holds it to the engine that is missing on mine. which make the brace useless. I dont even know what size bolt i need. Im going to take it to honda so they can put it in. it should be there. the car is brand new.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachm...7&d=1180499020
I got some pics but cant be bothered making them below 500kb, Work pc's = Gay. No offense to any gay people
i put mine on last night.....
my airbox is quite close to the heatshield screw.... actually.,.. it's touching...
had to put some cushion tape on it..
sounds bloody awesome though!
:) forgot to mention massive improvement. it want to keep going to 9k rpm, It goes to 8500 b4 it realizes to cut out so i got an extra 100rpm out of this intake nice :) :)
Are u sure the intake allowed you to rev an extra 100rpm? As i dont see how the intake would have change the rev limiter??? Anyone else care to share ?
I think its that it getting there heaps faster and doent cut out till the niddle hit 8500,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattski_VTIR
Cool, as i do know that my Type S rev limiter would move slightly (100rpm iether way) on the tacho depending on load, gear etc. Not sure if the car is revving more or the Tacho is out, but it did this before the intake. I personally haven't noticed anymore RPM being pulled out of the engine since installing the intake. None the less glad to hear your enjoying it, the sound of VTEC up around 8500rpm is just Magic. :thumbsup:
Yeah but where suposto be hearing it at 9k:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattski_VTIR
:thumbsup: Just thinking about the noise of a Gruppe-M at 9000 rpm makes me all funny :cool:
Ok EL Dc5, its the bracket i was talking about. its near the injector lines but the bolt your missin i never touched mine or even looked, im pretty sure i used my own bolt for that bracket to bracket..
Matsski, im pretty sure my rev limit has gone up. i rev past the red line by 300 or so.
and my cars stock as a mofo for engine work or performance
Cool, does anyone know where the stock rev limiter on DC5R / DC5S is? From memory i believe the S makes power / torque slightly higher. I just don't see how the intake would have increased the rev-limiter as its controlled by the ECU. By this i mean does anyone know if the rev limter is set to only kick in at a certain point in the Rev Range, or is it controlled by more variables (load, gear, etc) Any ideas??