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I can assure you that this has been done during regular workshop service for the last 39 years i have been a mechanic. Obviously poer windows havn't been around that long but it was still an issue on several models with lubricating manual window guides. The current move from felt guides to rubber guides has many benefits, but the downside is they need to be lubricated.....occasionallyQuote:
Originally Posted by denot
[QUOTE=chylld;1260340]buddah51au i assume u haven't read through my problems list then. my car had numerous serious problems such as an improperly installed airbag, an unstable passenger seat (the whole frame of which was found faulty and had to be replaced), a faulty engine mount and a driver's door that wouldn't close properly. i also wouldn't call having to stop the car and walking 20 metres back up the road to pick up the exhaust finishers that fell off "routine maintenance."
that said i do agree with your comments on the a-pillars and headlights, although the former being a little too fat and the latter being a little too dim pale in comparison to some of the problems i and some other owners have had.
heck... you don't even need to do this on a car that costs half that much.
Listing a chrome exhaust finisher falling off as a serious problem is just :eek:
a minor adjustment of the door strker plate
improper installation of an air bag??? how could anyone pass that comment unless an aibag failed to deploy when needed......if that happened there would be many major problems
a seat frame & engine mount.....ok.....a headache but still not a serious problem
i find your opinions quite amusing; nonetheless, you are entitled to them :)
with all things said and done though, it all boils down to what constitutes a warranty issue that Honda Australia is willing to fix, and what is not. improperly installed airbags, faulty engine mounts and unstable seat frames were all admitted to me by a honda district manager as valid reasons for concern for the safety of the vehicle, and were fixed under warranty as such, along with the other real problems that i had such as the aforementioned parts falling off onto the road.
i'd like to see what honda's response to your "my a-pillars are too thick" and "my headlights are too dim" complaints would be! :D
there is no such thing as a perfect car and i new about those 2 issues prior to buying it. 1 problem easily solved as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by chylld
some people in this world could spemd several hundred thousand dollars on a new rolls royce and still not be happy, let alone $30,000 on a basic reliable everyday car and expect it to be the equivelent of the rolls.
i have now had 3 hondas and over 1,000,000km without a major problem. not too many vehicle brands could do that
They'd probably tell you to F#@k off and quit your whinging. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by chylld
if the airbag was installed properly, im sure honda would never allow any warranty requests to be claimed, that means honda does admit there is a problem themselves isn't it?? you really want chylld to prove it the hard way?? hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by buddah51au
a seat frame,, hmm.. may be ok, but faulty engine mount can cause big trouble if it gets serious... heard of the mazda3 mps having their engines falling off while the cars are moving on the road due to faulty engine mount??
although i THINK i can bear with some of chylld's complaints, it's obvious that chylld has bought a lemon from honda. of coz it's easy for people who bought a quality honda (like myself with the jazz) to say people are expecting too much, but you gotta admit 1/1000 honda produced (which is very very normal) could be a lemon and whoever bought that deserves some supports and sympathy. :)
I guess that regardless of the money you spent, you have the right to expect quality from the manufacturer. Nowhere did you sign a document saying that the car would be sub-standard and that you would load up with preparation H and take it up the arse from the dealer.
If you don't like the quality, sell it and buy from a manufacturer that hasn't sold out. You'll pay more, but most likely be happier. Money talks and if Honda loses sales and reputation (and lets face it, they never have had the rep of the bigger car companies) then maybe they might do something about it. But with the arrogance that is Honda Aust, I doubt it.
Much as I like the OLD Honda, I'd rather spend the money and buy a Mazda or Lexus or Subaru or Nissan over a new Honda.
hey my fd2 manual had the same problem with the trim around the gear lever, jst take it bac they'll replace the whole thing under warranty.
Buddah51, are you the honda mechanic that used to work from your home in St Andrews, last i seen you had an accord, but many years ago
I'm 1 in the same godiva, but i now live on the capricorn coast & no longer get involved in servicing/modifying other vehicles.
sorry to hear u moved buddah. hope you still help out with advice though as your knowledge is should be shared. what mods do you have planned for your civic, if any. mind sharing pls
You know me godiva, why modify a good thing.....as i am not keen on the look of the Type R, i have some feelers out in USA and if i am lucky enough to find 2 good 1/2 cuts of there SI sedan there might be some importing happening.....lol
Hi all
My 2 cents worth
I have an 07 CIVIC SPORT with 15000kms on it.....
My boot does not close first time unless slammed....my drivers window has been fixed three times..
Also my biggest issue is my speedo reads 8 km under at every speed...
Honda said they were looking after me by having the speedo read low...what a load of shit...
Not happy with there response after firstly not beleiving my wife and doing nothing about it. Then not beleiving me until i demanded they hook up the computer and take me for a drive...WOW it is 8km out said the tech....
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Nice car otherwise though ...we love it
spiderman: with ur boot, try re-seating the boot lid rubber seal (comes off and goes back very easily)... also there are 2 rubber stoppers on the bootlid that you can twist clockwise to shorten them... that might help
once all the problems are fixed it is a great car yeah... i'm actually enjoying my car now :) pity it was such a fuss to get it all fixed, good luck getting ur speedo issue fixed...
thanks tried that on the boot already....
Honda refuse to fix the speedo even after discussions with HONDA AUSTRALIA...
The thing i asked was when they changed the 06 from 16 inch wheels to 17 inch on the 07 did they adjust the computer...
just done the 10,000km service on the VTi, the car itself is fine, but had a couple of "warranty" issues
- NO backlight on the radio panel, fixed under warranty
- honda genuine alarm goes off while the car is moving, fixed under warranty
a couple of monhs back....
- the driver size window wouldnt go up all the way and even if it went up, it comes down straight away, took it to the dealership and apparently there were "crap" stuck in the seal. a qucik clean up and applied some lubicant solved the problem.
the rolling diameter of the 06 civic sport tyres (205/55R16) is 632mm, the 07 (215/45R17) is 625mm which is about a 1% difference, or 0.8kph at 80kph. sounds like ur problem is much bigger than that...Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderman
it isn't the first time i've heard of this problem, there was another thread where someone was driving alongside his mate's civic, and from looking at the speedos of both found that they were reading very differently...
just hassle honda again about it, it might take them a few goes but they'll probably be able to fix it in the end
I have a few problems and i want to know if these are typical. Mind you that the car is only 13 days old.
1. the bonnet does not open!!! wtf? i saw the dealer opened it once to show us and thats it. i tried to open it yesterday and it doesnt let me pull the 'trigger' you know the one next to the pedals. i think its stuffed.
2. wheel alignment. it tends to swirl to the left
3. engine rattling/shaking noise. you know those old cars with heavy engine noise when you stop at the traffic lights?
1. Not a typical stuff at all... go back to your dealer imediately!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by match
2. i didnt get this problem... is it just recently or straight from the 1st time you drive it?
3. dont really understand... but there are a bit ratling some times when I drive my civic
the wheel alignment happened straight after i started driving. i purposedly tested it a few times and it always swirl to the left.
Our gen 7 is also a POS. Oil use now at 750ml per 1000 kays. But the car is now at the dealer under going a engine rebuild under warranty, woo hoo. Still what we need here in OZ is a LEMON law like the yanks. Three strikes and its gone.
theres a TSB for USDM civics for cars pulling left or right.
in my car i have to pull it REALLY hard to get it to pop... at the risk of stating the obvious, have u tried pulling it harder?Quote:
Originally Posted by match
i've heard of other civics with this problem, take it back to the dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by match
there's a known problem with the right-side engine mounts in both 1.8 and 2.0 civics - i recommend having the dealer check that one out for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by match
will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by chylld
Hey all,
Just picked up a new 07 civic vti with the bodykit, had it for 3 days, so far no major issues as i have been driving it. however i have noticed the driver door needs to be closed firmly before it actually locks, will keep an eye on that. Tiny, tiny rattling noise on my right hand side front, either in the door or somewhere near the front drivers side. Sound system off you can hear it, system on low (vol 2-5) totally covers the noise, hope it doesn't end up in a major rattle, will also keep an eye on it and if these things get worse or continue, will mention it at the 1K service. Otherwise quite happy with the car.
Had a Astra 04 model previously and had no major issues with it except that it too had minor rattles and it's rear wipers blew a fuse and shorted and would consistently go on and off whilst you drove!
The ford falcon i had previously had nothing but major engine issues.
So i feel sorry for those with major issues and feel your frustration. Overall you expect minor issues with cars or anything that is complex and mechanical.
I hope i only have minor issues that can be fixed. Wish me luck.
additional problem to my list. i have the same small rattling noise on right side at the front. it could be the window.
does anyone else have this issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by disappointed
i have noticed my civic to drink more oil than the previous one.....
may have to check again when im in sydney next time:o
This drives me nuts, I have emptied my glovebox but still get it UNLESS I open the glovebox and then the sound stops. Of course who wants to drive around with the glovebox open.. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by tan18d
Also tested my speedo on the HWY a few weeks back, something is out of whack as to do 110Kmh I need to drive at 116kmh (according to the Civic speedo).. 07 Vti
Rant: I must admit my image of Honda has dropped since buying this car, my first Honda (always had Mazdas b4 and never had problems) and I have already had 2 warranty repairs and haven't reached 10k yet (engine noise fixed and bubbled paintwork fixed).. They can fix the problems under warranty, thats fine, but it still leaves a bad impression of Honda in your mind..
i see your 2 repairs and raise you 5...Quote:
Originally Posted by Joele
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(1 more at the end (to fix my cruise control) which hasn't been added to hondaone yet)
Yes i must agree with you all take honda back to be built in japan!!
I had my car recalled because of some wiring in the back lights might have some dripping grease on it so they had to replace that... and they were like hey you missed out on your first recall i was like what!! first recall, yeah we forgot to put the boot lining in it...
As for the driver side window getting stuck... silicon spray solves that but still...... it shouldnt happen from the highest quality cars in japan....
frost, now i think they will have another "civic Euro" built in Jap now... and it will cost you $5k-10k more? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Frost_FD
if you had this service done at scotts honda artarmon (or any honda service centre for that matter) check that your cruise control still works. it was during the carrying out of this service that one of honda's brilliantly intelligent "technicians" broke something near the brake pedal that rendered my cruise control inoperable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost_FD
Update. Firstly, I apologize for hijacking someone elses post. After a complete tear down and rebuild with new rings and a head job under warranty by a honda dealer, the car now uses between 700 ml and 800 ml of honda oil every 1000 km. I don't have anything good to say about the f#@^wit who did this work on our POS. The f#@^wit so called technician does not even know how to check the oil level. Always half a litre overful after a service. Car has undergone another oil consumption test at a different honda dealer, for the last 6000 km. This service manager is doing the right thing by us. It is again in the hands of honda warranty goons. So we will see what happens after Xmas. Thanx
But you only had one b4 the 10k service, I haven't even reached that, give me some time, I'm still in the race... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by chylld
Interesting that you point to that hondaone listing, I had a look and I have three there.. The two I mentioned and one showing up the day BEFORE I received my car.. What the hell? no way to get details from HondaOne of what that actually was?
I would also say the general fit in my car is poor compared to the cheaper cars I have owned in the past. Its not the materials or look, just the fit itself, lots of things don't line up or fit right and just look poor but not really bad enough to make a warranty claim out of... I would have paid a couple of grand more for a Japanese built car if it meant better build quality, though I am not too sure the savings they made from moving to Thailand really past on to us..
I think I will still beat you on total # of warranty issues... at 20 months old i'm up to #30. That's 1.5 defects per month :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Joele
ROFL! hondaone is a pretty simple site in that they only display information they receive from honda dealers. however any honda dealer (especially the one from which you took delivery of the car) will be able to tell you what it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joele
I think I will still beat you on total # of warranty issues... at 20 months old i'm up to #30. That's 1.5 defects per month
Does'nt it make you want to buy another Honda chylld?
about the only thing i will buy or recommend my friends/family to buy with a honda badge on it is a lemon or lemon plant.Quote:
Originally Posted by disappointed
actually a lemon plant is too risky, the lemons will be falling apart even before they appear... like Joele's civic :)
was he a skilled honda technician?Quote:
Originally Posted by disappointed
with regards to cruise control i got my brake light sorted and my cruise still works fine :D
dont know about the rest of you but i love my civic.. no real issues
I think its a matter of personal opinion... if you not too picky or never buy/drive a better car before - e.g. your previous car was a 1981 Honda Accord that already rusty and broke down every 1 hr driving (not me guys!! :p) then this is a very good car...Quote:
Originally Posted by xenfacta
For me, I like to driving it and get used to the "noises" inside the car. And I still treat it like a baby (baby girl since its too sensitive - a bit of dust on the window, need to be sprayed... a bit dust on the wiper, need to be cleaned...)
I only claim my insurance for the window problem and might need to double check is "she" is one of the car get recalled for cruise and brake light problem.
Overall... I can give 7/10... well thats my personal opinion
PS: has anyone giving this car as his wife/gf/daughter first car? did she ever complaints about it?
At this rate, I won't..Quote:
Originally Posted by disappointed
Don't get me wrong in I love the car design in general, but their plant that actually did the build is poor IMO, and has erroded my confidence in Honda..
Compared to my first car, its a dream.. LOL.. Though I'm not sure that is saying all that much :pQuote:
Originally Posted by denot
the reason i brought this up is because when I complaining to my gf, she keep on saying she cant tell that theres problems with the car. she said loves it and want me to hand it to her once she get her P (only the size of it makes her thing twice) :s she can stand all the noises and stuff, but I (we) cant? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Joele
im actually very fussy with my cars. family/friends have had quite a few big dollar cars and theyre usually nice enough to let me drive. i tend to take care of my car (although its a lil dirty atm im ashamed to say) and it really is a good car especially for $20K. it could be a little faster but u cant have everything... i drive dads car if i want to go fast :pQuote:
Originally Posted by denot
[Qwas he a skilled honda technician?UOTE=xenfacta;1466288]
No, we got screwed....
misses had a problem with hers plays up now and then
drivers window goes up to the top then just comes back down lol
i moved the window as it was going up and ive found its sumthing to do with the window rail that its bolted to it shifts back and forth (front to back - of the car)
honda said it was to do with the window track not being dry lubed but i reckon thats a whole load of bs, cause it still does it
hasnt done it recently, but when it does lol i'll make a video
this is a very common problem apparently... every time i service my car at honda i always found excessive grease at the front and back edges of each window, looks heaps ugly :( i've heard other civic owners have had their entire windows replaced with ones that are made of thinner glass; not what you'd call an elegant solution!Quote:
Originally Posted by Riviera
but hey, this is honda.
poor honda, makes me wonder, do other manufacturers have this or should i say these problems...?
every manufacturer has their fair share of problems; it's when there's an expectation mismatch do smiles turn to frowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riviera
for me at least my civic has been quite the lesson in expectations :) i'd always thought a car would go for years without having any problems, such as the corolla, astra and getz that i owned before this one.
Yeah my expectations were also risen to unrealistic levels for Honda to achieve based on my previous experience with Mazda (323) and Daewoo (Lanos).Quote:
Originally Posted by chylld
Check out http://www.motorsm.com/complaints/default.asp this site and see for yourselves which cars have which problems.
From that site for the Civic - "The brake pedal will shake/vibrate with noise as the pedal is press down and when the car is going over some uneven surfaces."
WOW this is common? Mine does this and I was going to ask at the service center at my 10K... Anyone else get this?
me! doesnt feel the vibration/shake but it make sounds as if the pad already gone...Quote:
Originally Posted by Joele
I don't so much as feel it through the pedal, but the car itself, kind of feels as if the brake is going on and off quickly (like ABS) and I definately get a strange sound..
^ Could it maybe just be ABS kicking in? Thinking you're close to losing traction?
i get this as well, except it was a REALLY loud sound that sent about 4-5 consecutive "BANG"s through the cabin. scared the crap out of all of my passengers :(
i complained twice about the ABS prematurely kicking in, but honda service claimed it was normal.
guess a shaking brake pedal is relatively normal for the civic...
Yeah I've only had my car for 1.5 weeks... but have noticed the civic doesn't like braking hard - I've had ABS kicked in once already and I reckon for no reason - I was braking a little harder than normal.. but think there was plenty of traction left till I actually needed it. I'm so used to driving non-ABS cars hard I don't really know how ABS normally works.
Yeah I guess it is, but at the time I am doing maybe 40kmh and only very lightly pressing the brake (nowhere near losing traction) but the uneven surface must confuse the ABS system?Quote:
Originally Posted by markCivicVti
i notice this when I start my car for the first time in the morning, the ABS seems to kick in "brutally" whenever i press the brake (yup on 40km/h speed as well)Quote:
Originally Posted by Joele
Guys that really doesn't sound right.
Either
a) The surface your driving on is el crapo (ice?)
b) something is wrong with the brakes!
The fact that you're only "very lightly pressing the brakes" and ABS is kicking in I'd opt for option b.
I don't have that problem. I have to brake reasonably hard for it to kick in - but IMO I can brake a lot harder without losing traction before it should kick in.
When I first start the car (auto transmission) in the morning i reverse out the garage, then roll down the drive away in neutral. At the end of the driveway I put the stick to 'D', if I'm still going forward when I do this I get a slight noise (like forcing a gear in without pressing in neutral on a manual box). It's not very loud but it makes me cringe knowing something sounded like it got grinded on my 1.5 wk old car.
I'm traveling maybe 5-10k/h when I hear this... on my last car I could go from N to D at 50km/h+ and not have any issues - bad habbit I know.. I stopped doing it.
Is this a problem and/or do I need to just not ever go from N->D even if I'm going walking speed?
I have to be at dead stop to avoid that, my last car was a little less strict on this too..Quote:
Originally Posted by markCivicVti
agree... I was put from R --> N --> D in one go (while still moving backwards downhill a bit), and the car makes sounds as if she is complaining... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Joele
same here... i have to sit still for 2 seconds (doesn't sound like a lot, but try it for real and your passengers will think you're spastic/retarded) otherwise i get a really loud CLUNK sound after i reach about 5kph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joele
little annoyances like this though i didn't even count in my 30 issues lol
I thought I'd chip into this thread because it seems to be an interesting topic. I bought a Civic VTi-L about a month ago and I gotta say I'm not entirely happy with it either. I'm having a different problem to most of you whereby the engine struggles to start when the car is warm (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80538). It's really pissing me off because it's so hard to reproduce the damn problem but it's definitely there.Quote:
Originally Posted by chylld
Yes, I bought a car for less than $30K but should a 21st century car sometimes take 2 key turns to start because it's warm?
I went with buying a Honda because I always thought Honda's quality and reliability was second only to the likes of Toyota. I knew the car was built in Thailand but didn't think that would be a source of problems in this day and age.
Now, I think I'll think twice about buying a Honda.
that was a large part of my justification for buying a honda as well. however recent surveys (i think the jd powers one for reliability or customer satisfaction?) rates neither honda nor toyota in the top 3 anymore. the top 3 are now Lexus, Porsche and Hyundai.Quote:
Originally Posted by azeon
sorry to hear about ur problem, will reply in your original thread with my thoughts.
agree with both of you... especially next year they will start making Jazz in Indonesia (rumour has it), this will definetely drop their quality...
i got a shaking noise some where around my rear drivers window anyone no what it could be tried touching everything but cant find what it is....
starting to get so annoying...
got a civic sport for over 2 months now.
absolutly perfect to me.
hmmm mine not that annoying, but I can hear sound from outside a bit louder near from my driver door. Makes me check twice have I shut the door properly...Quote:
Originally Posted by danny_mart
tell me about it.
i just had a new engine put in. supposedly. or it might be someone elses problem engine. sounded rough. they gave thier again susposedly mechanic of the year to tell you 'cant hear it' or that the characteristic engine noise. anyway, i decided to give it some time before complaining the 6th time about it. now however another thing just came up. when i engage in gear. the gearbox area of the car emits a tapping sound (not like the tapping sounds from the engine belt that goes tok....tok...tok...) this one sounds more like people drumming thier fingernails on a tablet continuously. one u shift into neutral or park it goes away. shift it back the noise is there even when ur foot is on the brake pedal.
this is seriouly ticking me off. whats the point of buying a new car when u need to bring it in to be fixed all the time. and its not like i chose a FIAT or Alfa romeo where they are expected to break down or fall apart fast.
anyone of you guys experienced this? before i go confront thier service manager and mechanic of the century again?
is it a fairly hollow/tinny rattling sound? my car made that noise and it turned out to be a loose passenger's airbag. thank god i didn't have an accident with my girlfriend in the front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexythang
i've since switched to a hyundai i30 diesel and it's so much better... quieter, faster, no rattles and no problems at all... the concept of a car having problems had been long gone until i got the topic reply notification for this thread. amazing honda managed to build such a... thingybox :)
lol im gonna jump on the bandwagon...
The civic quality for a new car sucks. Just crap. I had more problems with my new 8th gen than my current 9 year old jap built car.
They should have never built the freakin thing in thailand.
The idea of the 8th gen civic was good. its a good car, just built like shit. If it was built in japan there would been huge difference.
Having owned 2 japanese built cars, rather old ones. I can say with confidence they're solid as a rock.
well i got a 7th Gen Civic October 2005 model, had it since Feb 2007, driven it just under 10,000kms, and i have had ZERO problems (touch wood)
by the way this model is built in Japan.
it currently has 31k on the clock.
Those with engine and transmission problems, is your Civic the VTI/L or Sport?
funny that, i named my Civic Chloe as well , LOL
sport here, engine itself is fine. just the engine mounts failed (had to be replaced) and the automatic gearbox had an occasional habit of not engaging a gear when moving off from rest (it'd just rev like it was in neutral)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
my wife's 6 month old corolla sedan also has a few rattles already. They managed to fix one of em, but still unable to "hear" the others. By the way this car is made in japan :thumbdwn: we're upgrading to a dualis next year.
theyre sexy but ive driven my misses one a few times and it just not right...
the gear changes feel wrong, the steering is so hard after 40km/h
and like many of you
drivers window problem
interior panels popping up
trim on door lifting
Just wondering if any of you ever experience the car is vibrating when it's starting from the first gear?
It seems like driving a car with a messed up engine mounting.. but the thing is.. it's intermittent.. it would be hard for me to prove it to the dealership.. except it is happening when the next service due..
I've reported it to the dealer.. and they said nothing wrong with my car.. unless I can show it to them..
any advice?
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
civic vtil for me. dont tell me the vti has less problems. hehe
the hard part is showing it to the mechanic. most of the time they will just say its normal and you're not the expert.
by the way, ive also had zero problems with my 8 year old corolla. not even blown light bulbs. and battery is still from factory. after experiencing the brand new civic i wonder to myself how does toyota do it. its funny but the body of the corolla actually feel as 'tight' as the civic. if u know what i mean.