EM's as well (although I have yet to see/hear about an EJ?).Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
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EM's as well (although I have yet to see/hear about an EJ?).Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
i will check mine out tomorow closer. but ive had my for about 2 yrs now. with no issues.. full mounting kit with tie and 22 sway. plus also had the front one done too.
anyone had issues with the front sway setups?
dude check it straight away, i have had mine for about the same amount of time and i thought i had no issues...now i have major issues... :(
has it been proven though that with the subframe reinforcement kits like the ASR, that the subframe tearouts are less likely to occur? as in, has anyone still heard of, or experienced damage even with the reinforcement?
All the Prelude owners know that putting on one of these bars requires further reo to the sub frame, we get thick plating welded on to strengthen the area.
I thought it might be a common thing to know before you buy?
I havent read anywhere of subframe tearouts with the ASR kits. The beaks kit still does on the ek, but havent heard of the comptech or the ASR causing ripping on the ek platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by philBo
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if only you guys read my review
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38433
symptoms of broken subframe : - Creaking when going on angels!
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Originally Posted by BlitZ
good post - which not many people took notice of lol.
I brought up the issue of these swaybar mounting kits AND the "lower tensile bolts used" with a lead engineer at whiteline a good 3-4 years ago as he was installing something on my car , and i got a earfull of promise that both teh weaker bolts were fine as to is the mounting kits.
What would i know i was just a dumb kid without a engineering degree :p
lol, well believe it or not there are alot of SILLY engineers out therQuote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
*bennjamin edit be nice
IF YOU HAVE A WHITELINE SWAYBAR WITHOUT AN ASR REINFORCEMENT KIT OR SIMILAR
TAKE IT OFF ASAP.
Its that simple, everyone who is saying 'ive had mine on for a few years and i have no problems', we all have, but you will have problems eventually, its just a matter of time. Just refer to all the people on this forum who ran them fine for years and now have cracked/torn subframes. Just some advice, it will be cheaper to throw away your bar or buy a reinforcement kit than fixing your subframe.
i guess i am consider lucky as my subframe is still intact..ouch to those who does..:(
lol, soz benQuote:
Originally Posted by krogoth
so this is an EK only thing?
how come EK only?
not a EK only thing.
IT affects all EG / DC and EK 's - with the "heavy duty mounting kit".
EK's are more common for problems due to the extra force put onto the subframe , but this still has been a problem for everyone.
Its obviously not sold/marketed that way , if it was no one would have problems, if whiteline had a disclamier saying for use with extra plating or reinforcement kits then that would be a different story, but they dont as far as i know..Quote:
Originally Posted by WPN.22R
Go get an ASR reinforcement kit if you plan to keep your car for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nodachi
^lol
woodnt it be unethical to sell a car without fixing such a problem?
Stock, his car is not meant to have a rear sway bar, I think.
no its not supposed to have one.
But regardless , with or without a rear swaybar doesnt change the fact that this whiteline kit , has caused a subframe tear.
do u think there wud be any problems with using 18mm swaybar from an EK4 and putting it on an EK1 using oem ek4 mounting brackets n bolts etc. curious coz i want a rear sway bar while im waiting for itr rsb and asr brace.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
did u actually measure the stock one?? i dont think its 18..Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
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Originally Posted by WPN.22R
not really for EK or EG... I have yet to know of anyone who has done that..
Actually never heard of it at all.. Ive heard people reenforcing it or upgrading to CTR after its broken though
nope didnt measure it. just word goin around says it isQuote:
Originally Posted by BlitZ
its 14mm man
for ek4 and em1
And also EG si and vti , also DC2 vtir AND DC4 gsi.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhybrid
I cant say if using these swaybars on a lesser model will wear out the subframe. It would last a lot longer than these whiteline kits tho.
Mind you , the difference isnt too much so id jsut wait out for a ASR kit etc.
Did your car tear out, or did it actually fracture the pickup points as per the pictures of the ek/em's?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
I know i had the first reported whiteline case of subframe tearout. In my case (dc2), the nuts were pulled straight through the subframe. Whiteline paid to repair the whole thing, and then installed a new tie-bar and brackets free of charge. I was actually really happy with how i was looked after.
I drove the car around with a 22mm RSB and upgraded mounting kit for about 150k km and never had a problem, that includes numerous track days, midnight national park runs and the usual shennanigans.
When they repaired it did they use a new OEM subframe from a dc2?Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
eheheheheh thanks slim... they fixed your plucking problem so i thought the reenforcements were also good for the EK..Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
hahaah I was then the first reported case to whiteline with a subframe ripped out ahahaha...
Guys - Please note... EK and EG have different flaws... EG mounts bar close then control arm bolt whereas EK on the outter:thumbsup:
nothing beats my homemade ASR kit
I and I'm sure other's would love a DIY on this :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BlitZ
Since the ASR kits a ridiculously overpriced.
Considering the weight, design, R&D and the fact that your subframe isnt destroyed, I dont think the ASR kit is overpriced at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
Yeah,True.I'm just finding it hard to pay the $325 for a piece of metal even though it is a good investment.Know what I mean?
I think picking one up second hand will be difficult though.
I will just have to shell out the shillings.
Why not run a smaller sway bar if money is an issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
Why not do a DIY??
You know that when you spend that $325 on the ASR kit, you KNOW you are getting the best that works. Not some half-assed attempt at reinforcement. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
$325 for a piece of metal cant really be justified, they are taking advantage of our fear!
oh well lol
homemade and has held up longer than my whiteline bar..
still scares me though
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...8/DSCF1533.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...8/DSCF1591.jpg
its a modification , that wont lose its value unlike EBAY CAIs or copy-rims.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0098
You can buy a ASR for "$325" and sell it for a similar price when you have used it
You guys should get the concept of "labour" into your mind. It's not only materials costs. There are research costs, import duties, goverment taxes, marketing costs and the cut that the local distributor makes.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0098
Just pay for it and get on with life.
Haha,Yeah :pQuote:
Originally Posted by thebob
Oh great...
Is anyone here with a DC2or DC4 had any problems? (other than ginganggooly)
I'm getting some creaking sounds from the back, and I'm getting real suspicious.
Crawl underneath and check.
the swaybar makes creaking noises more often than not , because of lack of lubricant on the bushes. You can relube them and the noise generally SHOULD go away.
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Originally Posted by man.exe
if u research, subframe tearing out is not very common on EG/DC.. they only pick bolt holes. This can be resolved using whiteline's reenforcement plates.
yup the "heavy duty mounts" on the EG and DC are less likely to have this problem - still not a good design. My last kit had worked itself loose when i pulled it off.
what reinforcement plates do you refer to blitz ?
Mine makes a firm noise (like a bolt slip) everytime I turn.
I checked mine under the car but the reinforcing plate covers the joint, so it's still a mystery until I totally remove the bar and reinforcing plate. I havn't retightened the joints in a long time either.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
please get your car checked out either at a mates or a mech and see if your kit has a problem
IMO take the kit off and ask whiteline for a refund as the risk is too great....
Yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zdster
So, Which Swaybar Is Good For An Ek Now?
either a DC2R or EK9 rear swaybar
EK4 OR ek9 swaybar endlinks.
+ ASR Brace
IMHO opinion, sway bars r the same, just m ake sure u get the correct reinforcement which atm is ASR brace
Hey just lettin everyone know that i contacted whiteline about the damage that was caused on my car, and after a few emails and phone calls they agreed to pay half my repair cost and supply me with their newly designed swaybar reinforcement kit for free.
The repair money arrived in a few days and the reinforcement kit came a week later.
I have had my sub frame re-welded and reinforced with some steel plates and just fitted the new reinforcement kit two days ago. so far so good.
The new kit came with all the nuts and bolts and new endlinks, looks good and seems to be of a good design, (much better than their old) also shouldn't have any more problems seeing as though my frame is now reinforced anyway.
So wanna say thanks to Whiteline for helping me out :thumbsup:
Will post up some pics in the next few days.
Great Stuff - From most of the feedback here, it looks like Whiteline is pretty on about their after sales support.
any pics of how you reenforced it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DNYALL
Here is the new set up. it is hard to tell how they actually re-inforced it because it has all been painted so can't really see.
Also he took photos of how bad the damage was, he said that once the kit was off, he could have just the lower part of the sub frame off with his hand it was that bad. also the back side of where the lca bolt went through was completely broken out and there was about half an inch of movent, this caused the tie bar to bend as well. He didn't know how the LCA bolt didn't just fall out while i was driving
But it all feels as solid as a rock now so all is good.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9983/pc040051aw7.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8788/pc040056my4.jpg
Awesome! Looking real good and real low too,Noooice.I Love your car :)
looks exactly the same as my setup
i know this is abit old but the reinforce plate is it both side or just one side if it makes sense
only one side. You couldn't put anything on the otherside i looked into it
Hmm.....this is the main flaw of the old and new whiteline "heavy duty mounts".Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
The ASR kit and BEAKS kit both use a small rear piece on both sides of the subframe to further spread the extra load and reinforce the subframe.
im goin to buy dc2r front and rear swaybar for my eg
do you fink it will hold for track use or i definitely need a reinforce plate like asr or beaks kits
u def will need a kit for ur itr rear swaybar
i thought itr and eg have similar chassi. if itr does not need a kit why does the eg?
You might not need a kit, but if you're running thicker sway bars, its always better to reinforce using a tie bar or something.
lol quick question its not too hard to make your owe reinforce plate yea?
just time and effort.
ITR and EG are not the same. Different placement of teh swaybar mounts and the ITR subframe comes with a tiebar installed tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Jackman
ASR ftw! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackman
how much is the whiteline rear sway bar kit for a eg?
does the eg now come with the new improve reinforce plate?
similiar chasis.. not the same.. different subframe and no seam welds on an EGQuote:
Originally Posted by Jackman