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Hi guys,
Just some updates. My Euro friend in Sydney had his Knock Sensor changed yesterday "compliment" from Honda Aust. However, the result is very very disappointed! The pinging sound still there.
This is the third time he sent the car back "over night" for the same problem.
He will report this to Honda Japan.
As for me, i am still waiting for the call from Honda Aust.
I think we are all waiting for a call from Honda Aust, seems the phone system must be down or something. I have emailed customer relations and have receipted a read receipt so I know they have the email, it was attaching my orginal 2 page email about the problems with the car...if I had customer service like this my business would not exist and neither would Honda cause no one would buy their cars...
Oh and that advert about racing and the heritage of Honda is a pile of BS, as if they learnt anything when they cannot build a car that does not rattle...end rant
Almost all race cars rattle. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobjones
Our race car does not...and with over 400awkw and faster than a Porsche Cup car so go figure...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobjones
from what i remember the first initial response from honda via email for me took about almost 7 days.. but after that when i got in contact with irine the reply time averaged about 2 - 2.5 hours per reply
Hey guys.... looks like we are not going anywhere.
I havent heard anything from Honda Australia. :thumbdwn:
mate keep on perstering them if you dont hear anything write a follow up email but show all your emotions ^^
I will wait 1 month from the date of the last response from the Service Department Manager and Honda Australia and then I am demanding a new car or replacement. This is f#cked to say the least.
I hope you do Suceed in that Bob Because i have failed in demanding for a new car i even offered a different model would be accepted by me eg: a CRV the following are the events
Dear Irene
I appreciate and thank you for you offer of the letter the adress is 4/43
first ave campsie 2194 sydney NSW how ever this does not adress my concern
this does not fix my rattling noise and whats not to say 6 months down the
track i decide to sell the car?.. how am i going to do it?. not to say let
alone i paid 50g for a brand new car with a constant rattling noise on a
brand new car i mean when i buy something no matter the price i expect it
to be in prestine condition because it is new im sure you do too i dont see
the new civic type r's and the crvs with the rattling noise so there fore
it is ver hard to believe that it is caused by the fuel let a lone
effecting australia wide. i mean the letter you are giving me is one that
states it will not effect anything and the engine is covered i mean this
problem could lead to many problems none of us know what causes even Honda
the manufacture that built the car is not even sure what is causing this.
Honda is only "confident" that the fuel is causing this so with this letter
are you providing a warranty of the engine?.. and also is there nathing els
you can do?. because iam fustrated and extremely dissatisfied cant honda do
anything?.. who knows maybe give me a different model or somthing i dont
know im about to explode with this noise rattling off everytime i drive.
Regards
Frank Sun
and the reply is
Hi Frank,
Honda are prepared to warranty the engine in your vehicle as we are 100%
confident that there will be no problems with its performance going
forward. I understand your frustration i must advise that we can not meet
your request for a different model. However i wish to reiterate that we
believe that the repeated use of good quality fuel over a few fills will
case the noise you have reported to abate.
I will forward the letter of warranty as promised
Kind regard
Irene
I contacted a the law firm that my family uses and was advised that nathing much i can do as they are abiding the law and there is no law saying they have to replace a vehicle
but hey man Good luck and if it works be sure to let all our HONDA CU2 Pinging noise owners know
I have the same vehicle as you same configeration same clicking sound. It is called engine pinging. I have been back to dealer twice and on to honda Australia once. All they say to me is they are asking japan to come up with a solution. Every word is verbal nothing in writing. Suggest you go back to the dealer and say you are aware honda has a number of your model with the same problem and what are they going to do about it. More pressure at dealer point is the way to escalate the priority so we can all get this fault ( and it is a fault) fixed. The manual clearly states that engine pinging if left unattended will DAMAGE THE ENGINE (page 334 2.4L model)Quote:
Originally Posted by eur001
well u know what to do then get a warranty letter of gurantee and if the engine stuffs up on u pull out the manual page 334 2.4L model and u got ur self a case. maybe even court case
well tihs is making me think twice about buying a euro.. hate to see that happening to anone let alone me
You don't have to fund a court case. If enough of you go the ACCC, they'll put the heavies on Honda. Unlike, the cost of petrol, this is something that the ACCC can do something about.Quote:
Originally Posted by frank87
I have the same issue with my 08 Accord (non euro)
So have you had any feed back from your dealer or Honda as to what is happening? Are other Accord owners complaining about this too?Quote:
Originally Posted by snajper
Can I assume that its the 4cylinder version not the V6...seems that Honda may have a rather large issue on their hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by snajper
Seems like a drivetrain issue if it is happening on different engines as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobjones
You guys with pinging, can you confirm for me if the pinging gets worse with RPM or does it get worse with increasing speed.
Yep it is 4 cyl auto
Here is a good article to read about other possible causes of knocking or pinging.
www.misterfixit.com/deton.htm
my 2007 euro old model pings too. the Honda dealer said there is nothing wrong with the engine .It is not unusal.
"Mild or occasional detonation can occur in almost any engine and usually causes no harm. But prolonged or heavy detonation can be very damaging. So if you hear knocking or pinging when accelerating or lugging your engine, you probably have a detonation problem."Quote:
Originally Posted by austma
As quoted from the above article, maybe what you are experiencing in your cars is normal and you just have to put up with it.But I know how you are feeling - it would be better to have no pinging at all.
Detonation can happen, but if your car is spec'd for 95RON and you put in 98 or 100RON and it still detonates, then it is not normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by unity
I still doubt that this is detonation. My opinion is that there is a sound from the gearbox which sounds like detonation.
i got the same problem.
Its definitely not fuel problem.. I've been using 98RON Shell, Mobile and BP for the matter and still have the rattling problem.
A/C on or off doesnt matter. Rattling still there.
Only happens with low speed take up. (sounds exactly like when you're in the wrong gear) Noise is coming from the driving side. Clock is sittting on 4000km now. Didn't notice until releasing cos too focus on my steering problem I had (lumpy steering) and also perhaps I have the music pumping before i drive so didnt hear anything.
I will contact Honda service this week. I'll keep everyone posted.
Well they fixed the rattle in the parcel shelf, turns out exactly what I told them it was, ie the metal layers where the spot weld has not gone all the way through...though it took them most of a day to locate it...and the rattle in the door sometimes pops up, I think its the wiring loom in the door, so I will fix that myself...
But alas, the engine still rattles and at times appears to be getting significantly worse, one thing I can say is I have requested a fix by the end of the month, after that I am going to have to take another course of action...or two.
Regarding the so called engine pinging problem, on my advice a family member got a CU2 auto 2 months ago and immediately noticed what he described as engine pinging. After several complaints to the dealer they asked to have the car for a day to re-program the computer. He has told me that for the last 2 weeks he has had no further problems with pinging. Pls note this is second hand information.
Hi Bob,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobjones
Any updates??
Any good news from anyone with the same problem?? I have not heard of anything from dealer or Honda Aus so far.
To those guys who sent their car for inspection in Sydney months ago, just wondering whats the result and follow up.
I sent an email last to General Manager and copied the sales rep who sold me the car along with the sales manager and the service manager. To my suprise they got back to me a couple of days later.
They told me to take the car this Wednesday for a check up. They have also offered me a replacement car while they diagnose the problem. Fingers cross, they give me a type R!!!!
They will be looking at my lumpy steering problem I had form day one.
Fingers cross they fix everything and throw in some freebies while they at it for the inconvenience they have caused me. I'll keep everyone posted with the results.
I was in Perth last week and went with a friend to a dealer on the Leach Highway. My friend was interested in the CU2. We chatted with a youngish salesperson who seemed to know his stuff. Then I asked him directly about whether the pinging problem had been solved. He paused and then acknowledged that there was a pinging problem. But then he went on to say that Honda had solved it as they had discovered that owners had actually been fuelling up with 91 RON ULP instead of 95 RON PULP.
Well, I thought to myself: 1. He confirmed the existence of the pinging problem; and 2. He still wanted to sell my friend the CU2 no matter what.
i took the honda rep for a drive last week and he confirmed my car was pinging and said he will log a job with honda in japan. He confirmed honda japan were aware of the problem and that they were working on a fix, no timeframe given. he said it affected a small number of cars.
if anyone else has the problem ask your dealer to get the honda dsm down and test drive your car so they can log a fault with honda japan. the more the better for us.
I didn't know they made a Jazz type R! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by binhcat
I also have an engine pinging problem in my 2009 Euro, which is only 3 mths old. Initially the pinging was only audible when accelerating (@ 2-3000rpm); now it is almost all the time...
Dealership has acknowledged that there is a pinging problem and that Honda Australia is aware of it, however with no fix (no news there for you).
I have been told that the DSM will be coming to have a look - hopefully soon. I too got the line that I should use 98 RON, which is all I have been using since day one.
I can't believe Honda still sell this car when they know there is a problem. Subaru stopped production of their turbo engines early this year until they fixed similar engine knocking problem. Same with Toyota Aurion. At least these manufacturers had the guts to publicly admit the problem and fix it.
My experience with trying to get this problem fixed has put me off Honda and there so called quality product and after sales service.
I have also had a steering problem - annoying rubbing noise on full turn at slow speed. Dealership says it is normal and that the noise is coming the EPS motor. I guess they will tell me all the rattles coming from the dash and the driver's window are also normal...along with the loud thumping noise I get when I turn the AC vents off.
Keen to hear how others get on with fixing the enging knocking.
So your friend end up buying the car??Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
^^^ No.
Pinging.
I also have it, 2009 Accord Euro Automatic. Happens when under load at about 1800- 2500 rpm. At 1000km, service guy heard it immediately, said that should wait for 10,000km service because loosening up of engine may correct it. Car has only ever had 98 unleaded, so I doubt it is related to that.
Car is eerily quiet anyway, much quieter than the new Mazda6 I test drove, so it is most annoying on the freeway in cruise because engine sits at 2000 rpm and pings the whole way!
Have written to Honda.
I am actually about to commence discussions with the legal fraternity as this is now beyond a joke. My car for example has never had anyone with any decent knowledge (IMHO) to ascertain the problem, nor have they provided ANY updates on the progress of ANY solution. Additionally, I am yet to see why I should need to run 98 octane in a 95 octane car, running 95 makes it worse, nor should I as a consumer be inconvenienced due to a manufacturers royal stuff up.
Honda constantly make out that it is a minor issue, and salespeople are worse as admit of problem yet think it is not major, yet this "minor issue" is still to be resolved though Honda Australia has been made aware of this for over 4 months now...
I am also getting my original letter translated to Japanese (my brother-in-law is Japanese which helps) and will be sending it to Japan as it would seem that no action has occured on the home front other than Honda waving the sales banner to generate cashflow when they really should be looking at the underlying problem, you can't selll shit.
I for one am currently, and will continue to be outspoken on this issue and ensure that every person I know never buy a Honda ever again, not a car, motorbike not even a friggin Generator...
Oh and for those that want action and NOT just words and a piece of paper not worth a pinch of pi$$...
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/contactform/30607
Well, Honda Australia finally phoned me today about the pinging (Ken Sheppard if anyone is interested in talking to him as well).
I was given a lovely story about how Honda cares and everything is being done to find a fix to the pinging (however a timeframe for the fix could not be provided - I was actually advised it could be months if not longer). I was further advised that the constant audible pinging will not damage the engine! I asked that Honda put this in writing and they advised they would - to put my little mind at rest. I found this fascinating given the actual car manual (p334 I think) states that engine pinging can damage the mechanical components etc. I did point out this contradiction.
Apparently there is no safety issue either and therefore they would not meet my request for a loaner while a fix was being investigated.
I was informed that it's really only a noise issue from my perspective and that I shouldn't worry about it - they ackowledged that it may be annoying and reduce the level of enjoyment I might get out of the car.
I went on to provide some very honest feedback and how I will never purchase another Honda. Perhaps Honda may wish to rethink their ad campaign for this car; it is not about "precision" anymore, it's about "precision in stuffing it up".
I got the impression from Ken that he actually reads the posts on this forum. Maybe we should all give him a nice big wave hello:wave:
Well I am over all this. I had a problem with an IAC motor in a Holden many years ago. We had an auto and the engine would always stall. Holden simply replaced the IAC motor (about eight times all up). They never found a fix for that problem. My advice to all is consider getting out while you can - before the reputation of this car is really in the shit.
That's a new one. Could you please tell me which dealer told you this/Quote:
Originally Posted by Anth
I hear ya and agree with you. All these dickwads that say Honda is the best seriously need their heads read as it's a rubbish claim. Honda's are no better then most of the others.. Oh, my 2006 Lancer with 25,000kms has never had a warranty claim and it still hasn't got rattles yet it cost half that of the Euro!Quote:
Originally Posted by DBH
I'll stick with Mitsubishi from now on.
All you guys have the auto?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobjones
Hi Bob,
I am all with you!! At the moment, i have no direction...dont know what to do next. If you need any case for reference, you can quote me(let me know if you need my info).
If you need any help, just let me know.
By the way, i sent three emails to Honda Audtralia with no reply. Dealer ask me to "just" wait.
Please, please, please all of you with problems make a formal complaint with the ACCC. The ACCC website (http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index...Go.x=17&Go.y=8) gives you access to the complaints procedure. ACCC can force Honda to do a recall if enough of you complain and they see a pattern.
Well I will be lodging the above now with the ACCC, no response by Honda, the rattle continues to get worse and more constant, and I have a funny feeling it sounds more like the timing chain than pinging byt he frequency and sound that eminates.
This has been the worst purchase of a vehicle in my life...
A timing chain rattle is much easier to believe than pinging as there are only a very small percentage of vehicles effected. In saying that, a very small percentage (under 2%) of all K series engines have a problem with Timing Chain Rattle. It is usually a guide problem, but occasionally a tensioner. Usually it is more prevelant with a cold engine. While this can be annoying to some it has no effect whatsoever on engine life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobjones
This has been the worst purchase of a vehicle in my life...[/QUOTE]
You could have brought a falcadore and been a lot worse off.
We have our CU2 auto and its currently slightly less than 1000km travelled. Havent heard much of the rattle although there is a slight sound if we were really anal. Will see how the sound progresses over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobjones
Does anyone have a sound clip to indicate how it actually sounds like and how loud it is?
Especially with the currently sales of the CU2, i would imagine the complaints would not be sufficient enough for honda to take serious notice. Everyone who experiences the problem need to stick by each other to make thing happen.
Any news or updates or fixes on the rattling / pinging by anyone out there? Has anybody had there problem fixed yet or are Honda still denying a problem. Which dealers are in denial?
well, i called Honda Australia...and was told to check again after new year as they are waiting for solution from Japan..Quote:
Originally Posted by orion76
You could have brought a falcadore and been a lot worse off.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by buddah51au
As I mentioned in the other thread, I would answer this one in more detail.
To have you quote such percentages, you are either nieve or working for Honda, which in either case makes you look like a clown.
As for it being such a problem in the new K series, we are yet to see, but I am far from going to the lengths of stripping down an engine that is new and under warranty to prove a point, hell we just had to pull down the stroker in the Evo race car and I am far from wanting to do that again in my spare time which is small if not not existant.
I am sorry, but the timing chain controls the operation of the head and is vitally important with respect to the timing of the valves run by the cams. Should the chain skip a few teeth, the end result in most instances is a reduction in power, skip a few more and your probably looking at picking bits of the valves out of the piston crown, having coured bores, completely rooted head as the lifters get screwed the cams get scoured, fubared valve guides and all kinds of pieces found in your cat conveter which is it now how for most of the fubared parts spat out of the combustion cycle before everything ceased or went to hell.
Oh and if I had of bought a falcon or commodore I would have expected the problems that come with those cars, though they are getting fewer and farer between events. I could have bought a Subaru atleast they stopped production, did a complete recall and halted sales on all stock due to an engine issue with pinging and adressed it prior to continuing to make a buck with sales as they knew it would more than likely have been detrimental to overall customer loyalty and long term sales.
As to the actual problem, I have been told the same with respect to the new year, though it needs to go back again fr the parcel shelf issue...
Oh and Happy New Year to all CU2 owners, I hope it brings good news and a better result!!!
LOL - i had a Falcon and had far less problems with that then i have had with my Honda!Quote:
Originally Posted by buddah51au
As I mentioned in the other thread, I would answer this one in more detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobjones
To have you quote such percentages, you are either nieve or working for Honda, which in either case makes you look like a clown.
As for it being such a problem in the new K series, we are yet to see, but I am far from going to the lengths of stripping down an engine that is new and under warranty to prove a point, hell we just had to pull down the stroker in the Evo race car and I am far from wanting to do that again in my spare time which is small if not not existant.
I am sorry, but the timing chain controls the operation of the head and is vitally important with respect to the timing of the valves run by the cams. Should the chain skip a few teeth, the end result in most instances is a reduction in power, skip a few more and your probably looking at picking bits of the valves out of the piston crown, having coured bores, completely rooted head as the lifters get screwed the cams get scoured, fubared valve guides and all kinds of pieces found in your cat conveter which is it now how for most of the fubared parts spat out of the combustion cycle before everything ceased or went to hell.
Oh and if I had of bought a falcon or commodore I would have expected the problems that come with those cars, though they are getting fewer and farer between events. I could have bought a Subaru atleast they stopped production, did a complete recall and halted sales on all stock due to an engine issue with pinging and adressed it prior to continuing to make a buck with sales as they knew it would more than likely have been detrimental to overall customer loyalty and long term sales.
As to the actual problem, I have been told the same with respect to the new year, though it needs to go back again fr the parcel shelf issue...
Oh and Happy New Year to all CU2 owners, I hope it brings good news and a better result!!![/QUOTE]
See my reply in another thread pls
Well, the 09 Euro was judged Wheels Car of the Year......
http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/wheels/s...late=domWheels
I applaud Honda for such an achievement. I dont applaud them for lack of customer care in fixing a model problem. Honda have known about the pinging issue for 4 months that I am aware of. As of 21st January 2009 I have been advised by "Honda Customer Care" that a software solution will be available some time in Mid February, 5 months after I advised them of the problem. My vehicle has now done 6000 pinging kilometers and im not impressed that they can treat us this way and consider this acceptable customer service. Other owners like myself...and there are many of us.. are left
in an untenable situation of not being able to sell the vehicle with this problem and not being able to enjoy it for fear of doing damage to it by driving it.
Guys
I agree with jbowly.
If you have a Euro Lux manual or auto go to the Honda Australia web site.
Lodge your complaint by using your VIN (vehicle identification number)
Then ask you dealer to inspect the car and take a test drive with you in it.
My Euro Lux 6MT CU2 has the engine pinging or rattle, call it what you will
its there. And it dissapointing.
My car has done 2,200 km's and the noise is worse when the car is started
from cold and it begins at 60 kph.
Anyhow i urge you to speak with your dealer and have and ask them
to acknowledge this issue.
So was the 1985 Mitsubishi Magna! And what a car of the year it turned out to be. Plenty had serious problems and were lemons. Tarnished the Magna name for years to come even though the later series were generally good.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBH
They must have missed the pinging issue....Quote:
Originally Posted by DBH
However, lets be fair as well... its a good car (in my opinion). I enjoy every bit of the car, except the pinging noise!!
I am happy that i am driving a "COTY"..hahaha!!
My biggest disappointment come from the way Honda Aust handle issues.
I also heard that there is solution coming in Feb...lets keep finger cross.
Quote:
Originally Posted by eur001
Most people fail to realise that if there is a problem with a car (Honda Australia in this case) would have to receive a number of complaints on the 1 issue. From there they need to relay the problem to the parent company which is Honda Japan so they can look into it, try to duplicate the problem and then find a solution. Unfortunately for those of you that have this particular problem, the process of finding a remedy takes time.
There is no fault on either the Dealer or Honda Australia as they also have a process that needs to be followed and they are unable to deviate from the Policy of Honda Japan.
Once again I say this is not an issue with PINGING as the knock sensors would retard the timing if that was the case. It is more than likely a Timing Chain Tensioner Problem & associated with the Variable Inlet Cam Timing.
hate to break it to you,
but it is pinging issue. the service advisors told me it was pinging and that one of the advisor themselves has an euro that has the pinging issue. They said Honda should hopefully have a fix by end of next month and will be doing a recall once the solution is out.
Upside is that they will repair it
Point Taken Buddah51au
Everything you have said is valid.
I agree to disagree with you, the timing chain / tensioner issue has been around since the K series engine was first designed. All K24Z3 engines in the automatic Euro are the same, yet not all engines are effected. If the issue was pinging every Automatic Euro would have the same problem. It would also mean the knock sensor ('s) are not doing the job they are designed to, therefore every current model K24Z3 engine would be effected, that is not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakkas
im no technician and im not going to argue with a specialised honda service tech who has also an euro and has confirmation from Honda itself that it is a pinging problem.
what they do to fix it? dont care as long as its fixed
if it was ping, it would have been fixed by now.....
does the noise apply for the auto or manual? because I'm still holding off from buying the new car
do you guys drive auto or manual cu2?
Auto.Quote:
Originally Posted by tqt
I think there is one guy with a manual complaining though. First I've heard world wide. :confused:
Just like the Service Addvisor at my local dealer told me if i used anything other than Honda FEO engine oil i will void warranty.....I can assure you that i will be going Synthetic oil @ 5,000kms.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakkas
I have an Auto & I know 2 others with Auto's, no problems at all with either of them.
Bwahahaha! They don't even use that themselves! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by buddah51au
Its easy to find out if its a pinging problem. If you fill up with a full tank of 98 ron and add a bottle of octane booster. And if the noise's still there, it would have to be something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakkas
Alternatively, can't anyone just take the affected car to do a dyno run and all the mystery will be revealed.
I had my CU2 Euro Luxury Auto since 8th Jan and have travelled from Sydney to Adelaide then Melbourne and back to Sydney. I have done 4000kms so far and I do not have the pinging problems you guys talk about.
My car has been on 98 octane and once on 95 when I couldn't find any 98 on the road to Adelaide.
For those afflicted with this problem I hope Honda has a resolution soon and Honda SHOULD because it's a really good car and their reputation cannot be soiled by this especially with the Wheels COTY award.
My problem seems very similar to the above.
Vibrations occuring (small quick jerks like it is too high a gear) around 2000 rpm at 50 to 60 km/h when lightly accelerating up an incline.
I took it to the dealer, he felt it too on the test drive but had no idea what it was.
He changed the transmission fluid and I haven't felt it come back ever since (5 days).
The dealer also mentioned it might be the torque converter. I pushed to make a claim through my new car warranty and they have agreed to replace my torque converter free of charge.
Hope this helps
cheers
Dan
Gentlemen,
I am sorry to have to tell you this, but I just spoke with a lady from Honda (Local dealer) and was advised that Honda will come up with resolution by the End of MARCH. So it is no longer end of this month.
It looks like it is not an easy issue to resolve. Anyway my feeling is that they will probably end up tunning down the engine from 147 to 140 kw.
Once again it is a pinging issue because when I fill up with 98RON it pings a lot less. (30% less)
Hi Dan,Quote:
Originally Posted by dan8106
That's great news. Would you mind telling me which dealer you went to?
I need to take my car in and would like to go to a place that understands this issue (and hopefully provides a nice service.)
Thanks in advance.
Chris
Hi guys,
Since Honda is unable to find the solution, I have managed to reduce engine ping by following these steps.
1) dont go over 2500rpm (0-100 is now 3 minutes)
2) switch off aircon and open the windows
3) turn up the stereo
Naaaaa just kidding, I am just angry that it is taking Honda such a long time to find the solution. GRrRRrrr
As a new Euro owner I've read these threads with interest. To me it sounds like pinging and even my wife commented that it was pinging after her first drive, and she's not mechanically minded at all.
Anyway, what ever it is I asked for it to be written on the invoice for the first service so that at least it is documented. The invoice also says .. "Checked and found this to be a normal noise, we have spoken to Honda who are looking into the issue. This noise will not cause any damage to the engine".
The bottom line is that the noise spoils my enjoyment of the car. My 2 cents worth.
Cheers
Agreed, it does take away some of the enojyment of the car. Mine pings from 2-3k RPM but otherwise can not be heard under other rev ranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarsnakes
My wife also has no idea about cars and didn't even test drive the Euro before we purchased but noticed the 'pinging' sound when she drove the one we took home.
I have written a letter to Honda Customer service a month ago and they don't bother even replying any more. After spending $65K on 2 new hondas in the last 2 years I am pretty sure that this will be my last Honda ever.
Anyway something off the topic. After owning Thai made 08 Honda Accord and Jap made 06 Euro, I just want to make clear that the difference in quality is massive. Jap made Hondas are a class above in quality.
my 2 cents
In what way is the quality better? My 08 civic has not had a single problem. I can't say the same thing thing about my 08 euro. The euro has more features and a better finish, however, you are paying 50% more for the euro.
hmmm I paid 2k less for the euro than the FD2 I owned before, and it makes me regret even more on why did I buy the FD2... :thumbdwn: the CU2 is alot better than the FD2 I've had...Quote:
Originally Posted by unity
better power, better response, better quietness, better build, better handling, better basically everything...
I totally agree. You get what you pay for. But the Civic (so far) has not had a problem nor fallen apart. So overall the buid quaity is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by denot
In my opinion my 06 Euro is miles ahead in quality and refirement from my 08 Accord. (Squeaks, pinging, rattles etc). This is not to say that Thai built Hondas are bad quality, quite the opposite but just not as well build as EurosQuote:
Originally Posted by unity
hmmm my ex-civic has fallen from day one, and after 2 and a half years, its getting worse (the last one is the CD stacker stuffed up).Quote:
Originally Posted by unity
dunno if I can compare CU2 with CL9 since I never own any CL9... but a couple of friend who has test drive my CU2 say the opposite to what u said snajper :p anyway, I think everyone has they own oppinion rite? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by snajper
I have to agree, I had an FD1 for 2 1/2 years & 65,000km without a single problem, along with great economy. The only reason I sold it was I made the mistake of parking it in the wrong place. I was never comfortable with the car after a 10K repair.Quote:
Originally Posted by denot
The dealer I went to was Astoria in Bentleigh, Victoria.Quote:
Originally Posted by driver