WD40 actually dissolves grease. So eventhough it does provide some form of lubrication, it does not last long and you'll have to reapply very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by aznsiko
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WD40 actually dissolves grease. So eventhough it does provide some form of lubrication, it does not last long and you'll have to reapply very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by aznsiko
I was relieved as well :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
thanks - should let me adjust it myself in the future...
apparently he was able to do it without dropping the tranny by using a mirror and greased wadding on the end of a wire... i think that's what he said - but next time I get a chance to speak to him I'll confirm what he did exactly
After putting up with my clutch squeaking for the last couple of months (consistent squeak and notchy pedal feel, in hot or cold weather), I took my car in to the dealer yesterday to get it checked.
The service manager spoke to a tech at Honda Australia about the problem. Apparently Honda has now produced a new technical bulletin, to be sent to all Australian dealers this week, that documents a lengthy procedure to fix the problem permanently (assuming that's possible with stock parts). My dealer suggested that more than just the master cylinder was likely to be replaced, but the downside is they'll need the car for at least two days in order to perform all the work required.
But if it prevents the problem from reoccurring, and saves Honda the cost of x master cylinder replacements (as has been the case for many posters in this thread), then it'll be worthwhile. Fingers crossed.
The bulletin will be released this week? Better be quick because my warranty ends next week!
Sweet! is there a link/reference?
The only product recall I see is the trunk harness
http://www.recalls.gov.au/search_rec...Submit2=Submit
http://www.recalls.gov.au/view_recal..._ID_Auto=13139
Sorry, I don't have anything to go on yet, except for my conversation with the service manager over the phone just now. He will contact me as soon as this bulletin arrives, to book my car in. When I take it in, I'll see if I can't get my hands on a copy of the bulletin and scan it in for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
That'll be great, thx.
I doubt it would be on recalls.gov.au anyway since its only a service bulletin
This bulletin has been around for the TSX in the US. It involves replacing the master cylinder. The problem with this fix is that the "new" master cylinders also has the same defect that makes them creak after a while. The problem will probably come back unless Honda pressures its supplier to design a 3rd generation master cylinder for the Euro (and other creaky models).Quote:
Originally Posted by aday
The impression I got from the dealer was that there are other parts that contribute to / exacerbate the problem with the master cylinder, and that these too would be replaced. Mind you, it's entirely possible that I was just being told what I wanted to hear. At any rate, I'll see if I can track down a copy of the bulletin.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
A copy of the bulletin would be great! :thumbsup:
Bit off topic - Does the Euro's have a Clutch Safety switch?
(A switch that disables the starter motor if the clutch isn't pressed in if in a gear)
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Originally Posted by EuroDude
No it doesn't....
^^ yeah, because Australia doesn't require it according to ADR. The USA needs that and therefore the TSX does.
well my clutch creak came back again, it definitely seems to be a problem with the release bearing... it was greased a couple of weeks ago and was fine but slowly started back up again.
looks like the gearbox is comming off again... happy days :P
Aaron.. less than 3 weeks on after u squirted the cylinder, the creak is back... I'm on the same boat with you Chris! I think your car and mine suffering the most from this!! !! !! !! !!
Seems like the 04s tend to suffer from this problem.I've got an 06 with 13k and no problems(so far!!!)Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
Seems like the euro doesnt like gearbox/clutch mods. I'll keep mine stock I think ;)
Master cylinder replacement time!
honestly i think exedy just sent out a faulty release bearing or there was a problem with the installation that caused it to wear prematurely. I can't be 100% certain but mid next week I'll know for sure.
My master cylinder/slave cylinder dont seem to be the problem here
so which release bearing are you using??? The exedy one or the OEM one?? Would it be possible to use the oem one or vise versa??
well exedy sent out an OEM one as part of the clutch kit... if the release bearing is the confirmed problem i'll be ordering one from honda though just to make sure.
I'm no expert but i have a feeling there must be some other reason that caused it fail prematurely and not a part fault. Maybe the release fork to throwout bearing clearance wasn't ideal? I'll just have to wait and see.
could be. Definately get one from honda tho.
Maybe replacing the Exedy clutch with the OEM honda one would fix the problem? Maybe the clutch specs/size is a bit problematic
I guess that's a possibility but it shouldn't be the problem. If it is though I'm sure my workshop will help me out because it was installed upon their recommendation.
after doing even more research on this topic I've read the following
"Most throwout bearings in modern cars are designed to spin all the time. Apparently there is more wear from spinning it up to speed all the time than to just keep it spinning. Older models were definitely not designed like this, though."
does anyone know if this holds true for the k series (or more to the point the k24?)
I have a feeling it may be true because when my throw out bearing was greased up all noises went away, even the slight grind/rattle on deceleration seemed to quieten down a bit and clutch operation felt good.
The gearbox is being dropped on Monday and the clutch assembly will be inspected for premature wear etc.
Just in case anyone is interested I'll keep posting with the progress I make RE this problem.
Cheers guys.
That's int.Re:throwout bearing spinning all the time,never knew that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
I'm not so sure about this. Theres been a fair few race teams that would have dfinately upgraded the clutch in the car. And the last thing they would want is an unreliable part on the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
Chris: Maybe you should shoot an email to some race teams and see what they say in regards to the bearing in accordiance to aftermarket clutches. They might be able to shed some light on it, especially since your workshop recommended it.
J
yea neither did I! I still can't confirm it 100% though as only 3-4 sources have stated it.
Atm the noise and problem is subtle but noticeable enough for action to be taken sooner rather than later..
Just gotta play the waiting game and hopefully when the box is dropped its an obvious problem... It'd suck to still be troubleshooting and hypothesizing at that stage lol
If dropping the box fails to reveal the problem lol i just might do that...Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
just out of interest here's a quote from another source abou the release bearing
"The throw-out bearing is in contact with the fingers of the clutch cover on most all late model cars with self-adjusting clutches. If you have a clicking noise it could be caused by a bad t/o brg. or by the fingers on the clutch cover not being all the same height and the t/o brg. is rattling due to that but not actually itself bad. The clutch being released does not let the t/o brg. stop turning like it used to on older cars whre you had to adjust the hydraulic clutch. BTW, Volvo models with cable clutches built from 81 on have the t/o brg running against the clutch cover fingers even though it isn't a self-adjusting setup." (abe crombie, http://www.brickboard.com/ARCHIVES/1998MAR/10221.shtml)
@Chris, maybe the gearbox and clutch area just needs a good recondition. Not sure about ur driving habits, but a heavy duty clutch dumped more than often would surely put the other components under excess stress.
btw my clutch has started creaking again only after greasing it a few weeks ago. Hopefully my dealer will have the new clutch bulletin and apply it to mine. Greasing the master Cylinder every month is not in the maintenance schedule :p
Its quite surprising a 200x honda less than a year old has this issue especially since the EG Civics had the same problem (well mine did anyway). Maybe it simply doesnt get as humid in Japan as like here and the current design is reliable over there.
Definitely a valid point but I'm actually pretty gentle with the clutch, and the clutch material is only a slight upgrade over standard, it's not a button clutch or anything just an organic compound. But like I said nothing is for certain untill the box is off and it can be inspected.
Not sure if I've mentioned it in this thread before but AP racing manufactures after market clutch master and slave cylinders to suit most applications. The next time mine start playing up that's what I'll be looking into.
The Australian conditions are def. pretty harsh
farrrr jst got my car bak....same problem =[ ...annoying =[
Hearing all this problems about creaking clutch, now my car is having the same problem. Rang the Honda dealer and they say my VIN number is not within the range specified in the bulletin but the will diagnose the problem. What I think is they will probably grease it and say all is ok.
i wonder if the creaking problem would still occur if the master cylinder was lubed up every now and then before the problem arose?
maybe itll stop the seals from going bad? (or whatever is happening)
Yeh its best to grease it up asap when it happens, or grease it up anyway even if u dont hear the noise. Its kindof like an engine Cylinder I guess, if it doesnt get oiled, it can do damage.
Anyone have a copy of the new bulletin yet?
Yeah would be good if anyone has the new bulletin because the dealer told me the bulletin they have is old and my VIN number does not fall in the range specified.
Probably try to contact Honda Aust.
How many of you on this site with06 models are having this "creaking"clutch problem?
i do jst noticed.... but seems to be going away or mayb gettin used to it??? ummm im goann get it checkd up on my 10k service coming up....Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
Yep mine does, and I bet the MY07's will have the same problem too despite the new bulletinQuote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
Sooo.... what happened to the "bulletin"? I think I may have this problem too, but I never brought it up as an issue when getting the Euro serviced. It's now past its warranty tho.. :(
My dealer is still waiting on the bulletin from Honda. They're going to call me to book my car in as soon as it arrives, but it's been over two weeks since they first mentioned it to me (and told me it'd be out that week).Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss_GTI
My creak miraculously disappeared today and I was soooo happy... for a while... Blaaaaaaarrrrrrdy thing came back on the way home LOL!
Lol...oops i shouldn't laugh coz mine's creaking too. We'll see what happens when i take the car in next friday. Wonder if an aftermarket clutch will fix the damn creak.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
LOL, lube it up again man. Or get it replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
lol thats what happens to mine. Creaking one day, silent the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
It mainly depends on the temperature and humidity of the weather - it gets really bad on rainy humid days
My Warranty will officially run out on Saturday... :(...
Ah well.....
My Euro is 8mths.old with 13k.I pray i don't get this creaking clutch,it sounds like it's a real pain.:(
quick buy an extra 3yrs extended warranty ;) Although it will be quite expensive for u nowQuote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
I'll be very surprised if you dont get it sooner or later. You could avoid it by spraying the master cylinder once a monthQuote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
Mine lasts about 9-12 months per spray.
aaron.Do you grease up your M/C yourself or do you get dealer to do it.Is it easy to do yourself.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Hi Tony! I don't grease it up, I use a silicone spray. And yeah, I do it myself using a thin clear tube to direct it into the master cylinder.
^ Aaron, how often do you have to lube it up these days to stop it from comming back? do the intervals get longer or shorter?
I'll get you to show me when we catch up re:stratches Sat week if that's allright..............Thanks.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Hopefully if i get onto it BEFORE it starts creaking i wont have the problem.:thumbsup:
Hey, do include me if you guys meet up...
Hmm, I haven't tried it as a preventative. Only as a bandaid solution :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
It's slightly shorter I reckon. Last I lubed was in mid-January. I'll post here when my creak comes back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
ok cool
I'm just going to lightly spray mine every few months to try and stop the problem all together
maybe if the rubber is kept well lubed no damage and recurring creak will ever happen?
who knows
Aaron.I've got this stuff from Wurth called HHS 2000.It's in a spray can and what it does is it sprays from the can in liquid form(for good penetration) then turns to a greasy film in approx.10-15 secs.It says on can"resistant to high pressures and with high adhesive strength.Colour transparent."I reckon this is worth a go!!I'll bring it with me Sat.week.:thumbsup:
Where is Wurth? I'm in Perth. If this spray works for the creaking clutch, then I'm tempted to purchase it. Gotta wait and see next week if the dealer goin to fix the creaking clutchQuote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
Hmm, haven't tried that. Not sure if it will cause damage to the master cylinder's rubber seals. That's the reason why I chose the silicone spray, it doesn't attack rubber.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
I don't think this stuff attacks rubber.It's not sold over the counter retail.It's sold wholesale to workshops only apparently.:zip:Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Yup, all of Wurth's products are not sold retail.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
Maybe I should try WURTH... I can get them :D
I'm in for a bottle of spray on grease and a tube of antisieze.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Give G a better price for your detailing service and you might even get it FREE LOL....
I'd be surprised if this HHS 2000 doesn't fix the creaking clutch problem.A mech.i know uses it on all sorts of squeaks inc.clutch & brake M/C. and he reckons it's :thumbsup:
Damn! The car i'm looking at purchasing has a creaky clutch!
Lucky I looked it up 'Things to look out for when buying a Euro' (aww love for ozhonda! haha) and this was one of the first things I checked! How annoying!
anyway.. its got 3 months left under factory warranty so hopefully this can be fixed.
Yeah, get it covered under warranty. I'd also consider getting the Honda extended 2 year warranty. Will help if you get the rarer problems like a dead A/C or the centre console LCD backlight failing. And that warranty is from Honda, so you can get work done at any dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by eccentric
welll jst got car back...after replacing clutch....still has creaking problem...uz guys find out what the problem is....goig to go service agn 2morow to get it checked...
Clutch master cylinder.
U can just do it yourself dude. Buy some silicone or lithium grease from an Auto shop (supercheap/autoone/etc..) and spray for 1 second into the cylinder:Quote:
Originally Posted by J-TODA
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4...utchfixxz1.jpg
The dealer will do the same thing anyway..
If their lube fix doesn't work the first time, they will replace the master cylinder. So bring it to the dealer and let them do their fixes. The 2nd time you go back, complain that you want a permanent fix (or at least something that lasts longer than a few weeks)Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
ohh thanks for the pic! im gonna try that one
ohhhhh ye dats what i fought it was when i was checking it out....LOl after i got my car back yesterday i went bak in 5mins Lol the guy said it was the seat.... i was wtf??? so ye prob go back 2day or something... =] fanx boys
mines developed this problem recently :(
gunna have to try the spray, if that doesnt fix it permanently i'll take it back to the dealer
LOl arrong u got any off that good stuff LOL!!!??? haha care to share??? LOL! 2 cheap atm to go buy Lool
u have a $35000 car and cant afford $10 of grease? lol just use some engine oil from the dip stick then :p
just a quick update guys,
the one i was/am purchasing with the creaky clutch was fixed.. they just greased it up.. if the problem is to occur again i hope its before my warranty expires!
o/t: i'm finalising the payment to day and should be ready for delivery tuesday/wednesday as i've been told.. so i can finally join the accord euro crew!
Remember to transfer the warranty to your name and then get the extended warranty before the current 3 year warranty expires.Quote:
Originally Posted by eccentric
And note the date when you pick it up so if the creak comes back you can tell them how long the previous fix lasted. :)