Creaking clutch pedal [Euro]

**Chris_F** · 09-02-2007 09:08 PM

after doing even more research on this topic I've read the following

"Most throwout bearings in modern cars are designed to spin all the time. Apparently there is more wear from spinning it up to speed all the time than to just keep it spinning. Older models were definitely not designed like this, though."

does anyone know if this holds true for the k series (or more to the point the k24?)

I have a feeling it may be true because when my throw out bearing was greased up all noises went away, even the slight grind/rattle on deceleration seemed to quieten down a bit and clutch operation felt good.

The gearbox is being dropped on Monday and the clutch assembly will be inspected for premature wear etc.

Just in case anyone is interested I'll keep posting with the progress I make RE this problem.

Cheers guys.

**tony1234** · 09-02-2007 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Chris_F

after doing even more research on this topic I've read the following

"Most throwout bearings in modern cars are designed to spin all the time. Apparently there is more wear from spinning it up to speed all the time than to just keep it spinning. Older models were definitely not designed like this, though."

does anyone know if this holds true for the k series (or more to the point the k24?)

I have a feeling it may be true because when my throw out bearing was greased up all noises went away, even the slight grind/rattle on deceleration seemed to quieten down a bit and clutch operation felt good.

The gearbox is being dropped on Monday and the clutch assembly will be inspected for premature wear etc.

Just in case anyone is interested I'll keep posting with the progress I make RE this problem.

Cheers guys.

That's int.Re:throwout bearing spinning all the time,never knew that!

**JasonGilholme** · 09-02-2007 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by EuroDude

Maybe replacing the Exedy clutch with the OEM honda one would fix the problem? Maybe the clutch specs/size is a bit problematic

I'm not so sure about this. Theres been a fair few race teams that would have dfinately upgraded the clutch in the car. And the last thing they would want is an unreliable part on the car.

Chris: Maybe you should shoot an email to some race teams and see what they say in regards to the bearing in accordiance to aftermarket clutches. They might be able to shed some light on it, especially since your workshop recommended it.

J

**Chris_F** · 09-02-2007 09:15 PM

yea neither did I! I still can't confirm it 100% though as only 3-4 sources have stated it.

Atm the noise and problem is subtle but noticeable enough for action to be taken sooner rather than later..

Just gotta play the waiting game and hopefully when the box is dropped its an obvious problem... It'd suck to still be troubleshooting and hypothesizing at that stage lol

Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

I'm not so sure about this. Theres been a fair few race teams that would have dfinately upgraded the clutch in the car. And the last thing they would want is an unreliable part on the car.

Chris: Maybe you should shoot an email to some race teams and see what they say in regards to the bearing in accordiance to aftermarket clutches. They might be able to shed some light on it, especially since your workshop recommended it.

J

If dropping the box fails to reveal the problem lol i just might do that...

just out of interest here's a quote from another source abou the release bearing

"The throw-out bearing is in contact with the fingers of the clutch cover on most all late model cars with self-adjusting clutches. If you have a clicking noise it could be caused by a bad t/o brg. or by the fingers on the clutch cover not being all the same height and the t/o brg. is rattling due to that but not actually itself bad. The clutch being released does not let the t/o brg. stop turning like it used to on older cars whre you had to adjust the hydraulic clutch. BTW, Volvo models with cable clutches built from 81 on have the t/o brg running against the clutch cover fingers even though it isn't a self-adjusting setup." (abe crombie, http://www.brickboard.com/ARCHIVES/1998MAR/10221.shtml)

**EuroDude** · 09-02-2007 09:28 PM

@Chris, maybe the gearbox and clutch area just needs a good recondition. Not sure about ur driving habits, but a heavy duty clutch dumped more than often would surely put the other components under excess stress.

btw my clutch has started creaking again only after greasing it a few weeks ago. Hopefully my dealer will have the new clutch bulletin and apply it to mine. Greasing the master Cylinder every month is not in the maintenance schedule

Its quite surprising a 200x honda less than a year old has this issue especially since the EG Civics had the same problem (well mine did anyway). Maybe it simply doesnt get as humid in Japan as like here and the current design is reliable over there.

**Chris_F** · 09-02-2007 09:33 PM

Definitely a valid point but I'm actually pretty gentle with the clutch, and the clutch material is only a slight upgrade over standard, it's not a button clutch or anything just an organic compound. But like I said nothing is for certain untill the box is off and it can be inspected.

Not sure if I've mentioned it in this thread before but AP racing manufactures after market clutch master and slave cylinders to suit most applications. The next time mine start playing up that's what I'll be looking into.

The Australian conditions are def. pretty harsh

**J-TODA** · 10-02-2007 08:27 AM

farrrr jst got my car bak....same problem =[ ...annoying =[

**Euro1011** · 13-02-2007 03:57 PM

Hearing all this problems about creaking clutch, now my car is having the same problem. Rang the Honda dealer and they say my VIN number is not within the range specified in the bulletin but the will diagnose the problem. What I think is they will probably grease it and say all is ok.

**Chris_F** · 13-02-2007 04:01 PM

i wonder if the creaking problem would still occur if the master cylinder was lubed up every now and then before the problem arose?

maybe itll stop the seals from going bad? (or whatever is happening)

**EuroDude** · 13-02-2007 05:31 PM

Yeh its best to grease it up asap when it happens, or grease it up anyway even if u dont hear the noise. Its kindof like an engine Cylinder I guess, if it doesnt get oiled, it can do damage.

Anyone have a copy of the new bulletin yet?

**Euro1011** · 13-02-2007 05:36 PM

Yeah would be good if anyone has the new bulletin because the dealer told me the bulletin they have is old and my VIN number does not fall in the range specified.
Probably try to contact Honda Aust.