thanks for that.
the other think i was thinking is that my apexi vtec and air flow controller may need to be adjusted also..?
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thanks for that.
the other think i was thinking is that my apexi vtec and air flow controller may need to be adjusted also..?
SO.... for my eg civic
i changed K & N pod filter
4-2-1 header
leads
and exedy 7lb light flywheel and whole clutch kit set
now... i am looking for a fuel computer like VTEC control or something
but what will be the price for install that one and tune that basically ?
i see that stage one cam already... but isnt it need a ECU tuning ?
Don't touch the VTec crossover point.Quote:
Originally Posted by yuentinlon
Honda has it set where is should be even after mods..
Adrian from TODA played with mine on the dyno a few weeks ago and we found that stock point was the best point..
You will however get some gains for a new ECU and tuning but I doubt they would be noticeable
OK >.< thanks for that ... so is time to save some more for my D turbo , hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
If you can drive turbo? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by yuentinlon
yeah BUT mines set to 5000rpm vtec crossover.. no drama's thus far..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
...just added a fat stainless steel hi flow cat converter over the weekend yiewww!!
how much would a tune cost from adrian luke?
where's bisimoto located??Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
i wouldnt mind checkin them out for a regrind actually..
dont mind me..
NEW: Facility/address (please note)Quote:
Originally Posted by B147ch
13933 Ramona Avenue, Suite D, Chino, CA 91710
909-464-1262
Mon. -Fri.: 10am-6pm (Pacific)
I'm thinking about swapping in a y8 and keeping it NA since it's going to be cheaper than a b to do and maintain and cheaper on petrol.It's just an idea I'm toying with atm...(if I had money I wouldn't just be talking...)
It's just something that will allow me to have some fun at the track.I currently have an d16y4 automatic so I can use some of my existing parts (hopefully the exhaust system...) and I know once I hit the track I will want manual.I plan to go to the track with the auto but I want to be prepared incase the gearbox or engine shit's itself.atm there's too much freeplay where the keyway is in the crank pulley.This is what I'm thinking:
d16y8 Block:
-Stock
d16y8 Head:
-Mild P&P and 3 angle valve job
-Crower Stage 2 Cam
-Crower Valve springs and retainers
-OEM Head Gasket
d16y8 Gearbox
-Stock
ECU:
-Stock with Greddy e-manage
Everything not listed is stock.I will try to find a low km's engine...
I will keep (I have):
-MSD ignition system
-X-Force 4-2-1 Headers,Intake
-AFPR
-Oil Catch Can
-Raizen High Voltage Grounding Kit
-Greddy e-manage
Costs:
-d16y8 engine + gearbox 400
-Mild P&P and 3 angle valve job 400?
-Crower Stage 2 Cam 400
-Crower Valve springs and retainers 100 (hopefully...I know someone)
-OEM Head Gasket 30
-MSD dizzy cap 60
-Tuning 300
-Labour 1000? (I would prefer to pay someone to do this)
Total = 2.7k
I was hoping for less than that but it's never the way is it...
I would keep/use my block but I got the problem of the free play in the keyway hole that might go after a track session so it would be better to swap it now I think.
So with this I get Vtec and manual gearbox.I am thinking 80kw.I would be happy with that.I don't want anymore power because I want to keep petrol costs down.I love the d-series engine,it's plenty for me.atm my y4 auto is 66kw and it's ok/fun,just need a little more torque/power and manual and I'm happy.And Vtec too.
Questions :) :
1. Can I use my y4 injectors on the y8?
2. Do I need an engineers cert.? $600?
3. With this set up,how much would you mill off the head.I know 0.010" or upto 0.040" for more compression.
4. Do I need to swap the radiator? my one has a cooler part on the bottom for the auto transmission.I can just inlet and outlet though.
5. Exhaust system - mine is 2" system with X-Force headers,high flow cat,resonator and X-force twin loop muffler.I want to keep costs down so I might try just to removing the resonator to promote more flow? I know it will be louder but it's that or spend $600+
Brettles, u probably already know what i think of that idea, but its not a good idea, the rod stretch u will see from constant revving of that D series is what will kill it.
The qn to ask is, after spending all that money and losing to a stock b, will it be worth it?
Thanks Andy!
Your knowledge is invalueble.
How the move going mate?
use the money on a greddy kit
just a small update on me, i'm getting my gearbox rebuilt at the end of this year, plus ordering a Greddy kit :) I will have 5g's to play with in late Dec, early Jan, and I have to get a neew gbox, as this 1 is fudged, and since im going turbo, I may as well get it rebuilt and I'm going to seperatly buy a Exedy Heavy Duty clutch and have them install that instead of whatever they wanna put in it...
sometimes its like saying, why work a D wen u can just swap a B, or why work a B wen u can jus swap in a K and this will continue. some people like challenging themselves within their budget, everyone can do a swap, taking ur time to building something ur satisfied with feels more rewarding.
yeh sometimes its hard to wait to be able to save up for a b series. ive been trying to and have just been failing.................... ):
Here's a great site with some great articles:
http://www.sohchonda.com/forums/
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
I got a crx Si if my motor was to blow up tomorrow (d16a) could i bolt up a
d16y to the standard gearbox btw got a honda concerto gearbox bolted u to the d16a so lets say
d16Y+Concerto box = work/doesnt work?
anyone help me thanks?
this thread kinda died...
Yeah!
It's like everyone wants to see the potential of the d unleashed but no one can be bothered doing it...and yes it is possible.The US have proved that time and time again.
No wants wants to be a leader,everybody needs to be led?
If I had money I would seek some great advice from the guys on here and build a nice little d with my money :)
yes im 98.62723736472762% sure that all D series gbox are interchangableQuote:
Originally Posted by lilcrx
if only i had money.... gah
Meh,don't let it get ya down :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by dahon
When I start feeling like that I instantly start thinking about other's life's and how they fight everyday to eat, then I get in my Civic and D-r-i-v-e :thumbsup:
hehehe yeh handling > engine for me... i jus love gunning corners/roundabouts =)
Ditto!!!
wonder if theres ne one else that has completed or has begun a d-series build?
i dont think ne1 can be fvcked, the amount of time money and effort spent getting a d-series somewhere, could be better spend buying a stock b18cR with probably more power loll that being said, im sticking loyal 2 the D and waiting 4 stupid dollar 2 stop butt fvckn itself so i can buy a greedy kit
problem is guys...there is little or no one that has a d series that is pulling great or even good times down the 1/4 , and track. There is only bisimoto the world over....and that is with a small fortune chucked at it. So until d series cars start getting the mods and times , you lot are kidding yourselves. Instead of stating a d can have similar power increase for x amount of mods , someone here prove it to us too !
lolz we had this chat at the start of this topic... yeh it sux about the d series, shes a awesome engine just yeah.. its more economical/practical to work on the b's...
but if i had a jdm d15b on the other hand...
Well I've just been looking through the 1/4 mile times on d-series.org here and the times are between 14.5 and 16.5 seconds on adverage.In a b18c7,your looking at mid 14's stock right?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
If this is correct then (as usual ;) ) you are correct.
Taken from the same thread-
"Anyone in the 13's on this board? I've seen with my eyes, a 88' HF: D16A with ZC pistons, stock Y8 head, I/H/E, VAFC and AEM cam gear go 13.20's at 99mph on BFG's. Hard to believe but trust me, seeing is believing.
Sam"
so thats using drag radials i suppose and probably stripped to the max... hehe.
on the onecamonly.com boards, SOHCinWA manages a 13.95 second pass with full interior, and theres an EG using a stock d15b motor with minor intake and exhaust mods running in the 13s (stripped out of course).
im just waiting for a throttle linkage so i can finally get around to fitting my twin dcoe40 carbs to my d15b.
modifying a d series all depends on what you consider a small fortune. bisimoto's first d series build was a street legal crx i believe that ran 12s with only $3000 put into it (using drag radials).
altho right now, considering the state of the australian economy, its getting more expensive to import parts from america, im lucky i managed to get most of the parts for my build before the economy died.
The cheapest way to a bit more power on D's would be....
Zex 59300 cam and spring/retainers tuned with Hondata
And if it's a y4 (non Vtec) go for a bisimoto re-grind cam,springs and retainers and tune with greddy e-manage.
But!Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
You can't change the rev limiter with E-manage Blue
So has to be Hondata
hondata on a y4 is so not worth the trouble
greddy it will have to be...
HmmQuote:
Originally Posted by [ricer]
So you buy cam and so on to rev higher but e-mange won't let you change the shock rev limiter is whats the point?
Hondata won't work on a automatic either (not that anyone has an auto except me :) hehehe)
lol beezaQuote:
Originally Posted by beeza
Nuff said
how about greddy emanage ultimate? can that adjust rev limiter? im assuming you're referring to greddy emanage blue
Yeah ultimate dose but it costs more than hondataQuote:
Originally Posted by [ricer]
haha yeah,didn't know sh!t about cars when I bought it 3 years ago :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
Oh to time travel back to tell yourself Manual manual manual!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
akmee cam is not too bad.. pretty cheap for whole setup.. i ran 16.1 on my y1.. but nothing to brag about...
hahaha yeah :)
The auto suits me as I just cruise locally all the time and I'm lazy :) but I'm so sick of not being able to launch!
I've tried so many ways but it's bloody hard not to have the car bog a bit.That's why I decided to circuit race! :)
raising the limiter on a d series is generally pointless if all you've done is swapped a cam. single cams give a wider power band, twin cams shift the power band higher in the rev range. as long as you can get your d to 7500rpm or 8000rpm, you wont need to rev higher, because it wont make power any higher.
i've got a stage 2 bisi regrind, and the main advantage of the cam was that my powerband goes from 3500rpm to 7500rpm. i've dyno'd it to 8000rpm, and it didnt make any more power. i'd push harder, but then i'd need a new tacho.
thats just the thing....a dead stock b18c7 in for example a EG hatch , is low 14's to high 13's. No modifications at all. (i am currently at 13.8@103mph) - you will never get a stock d series engine taking any car to that level , stock. Sure with a lighter shell (gen 2 crx is almost 100kg lighter than the eg hatch) a d series with mild work will pull ok times (high to mid 14's on good tyres) - The plain fact is you need more work and more money into a D to make it quick :)Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
Brettles, there is no better mod than seat time, you will be surprised how many highly modified cars go out there and set disappointing (to the owner) times.
Stop reading here and get out there and have a go, you will learn as you go which mods are best for you.
dude y are u arguing this point, WE ALL NO IT, no1 is disagreeeing with u sweetheart of course B > Dseries but turbo > B but still people would rather spend 10,000 installing a b18cr wen a D16-T could run a VERY similar time with a bolt on greedy kit bought off ebay for 2g's and DIY backyard job lolQuote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
Wow! your in the 13's now benny,well done!!
Any mods to the eg? stripped?
I did Andy :)
I got 19 seconds...auto sux for the 1/4 :)
And,I am hanging to get circuit racing,just gotta few things to do yet.Patience is a virtue hehehe
Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
Ben un-stripped his car and got better times :p
What the???
Which turbo D is running similar time to B18cR swapped civics on ozhonda? By comparing within this forum, quite few ppl running high 13/low 14 with b18cR while all the turbo D I see is stuck at mid to high 14s...Quote:
Originally Posted by kazam
Yeah I'm stuck at 14.5 but that's just my setup..Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
Wait till LSD is installed that's the main porblem with Boosted D's IMO
yup i proved a point......stripping the interior has little or no effect on 1/4 mile times. Its around 20kg or so all up for rear seats parcel tray and passenger seat. All i did was drive a tiny bit harder and boom that was .2 off the 1/4 lol. More to come :)Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
Anyway. I love old D's. I would ADORE to see a old gen 2 crx or older civic with a d16a8 running lumy cams , carby conversion or quad throttle and 13 inch dish rims. Hot.
But wouldn't you drive the hardest all the time at the 1/4?
you get better at things with practice - rev each gear out more shift better/faster launch differntley etc. My point is with a bit more practice i will probably see mid 13's on a stock engine with full interior on real road tyres. It would be nice lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
Just because no-one has done it on ozhonda doesnt mean its not possible. There is no reason why people cant used Turbo D16s in the usa as examples. All the same variables apply
then do it guys !
lets see some d series builds out there at teh track and 1/4 :)
speaking of d series.... i think i smashed something in my gearbox.... the engines still fine...
d series wont die.... it lives on no matter what
NOw car makes a loud hollow clunking/ticking sound around 4000rpm then goes away
loud around corners too
Btw wasnt doing burnouts or anything.. i dropped down to second hit round 7k getting onto highway hit 3rd backed off and heard it... revved it in neutral and its fine
so i'm assuming gearbox or cv's.....
I seem to be the only one rep's the Boosted D's at the 1/4 mile WTF!
ill be there soon reppin dzQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
WHOA!!! 155KW!! MAD!!
Have U got a build thread I can check out? :)
ye its in forced inductionhttp://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100952Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
Wicked.Thanks mate!
EDIT: Great story and engine!
Can't wait to see what a cam will do.
i cant wait either more scared than ever...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by beeza
challenge accepted!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
exactly what I mean, do it and prove it, until then don't talk big...Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
there are guys in the states running 12s on stockish b18cr are we gonna compare that to your turbo Ds as well? where do you stop and where do u draw the line?
make ur life easier and compare on this forum, at least we know what we got and how we run it...
I’m afraid you’ve already failed the challenge….Quote:
Originally Posted by myztery
You spent way too much and modified your internals!
The challenge and question has and will always be!!!!!
DOHC swap or boost the D on a budget..
I don't think there are challenges, I am just happy to see ppl run fast times regardless what they have...
Don't get me wrong I love all Honda's as all the hates should too..Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
And I don't think there should be any comparisons but there always will be…
Anyway when I’m cruising at 80K and hit it hard boost rocks but out of the gate on the ¼ mile so far it sucks
just try your best and make it happen...
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
exactly right Jing.
Too many people talking crap on this forum not enough people taking the car out and having a go.....look at ANY Ozhonda WSID event. 10-20 people show interest yet only 2-6 ever turn up. FFS grow some balls guys and get out and run its fun !
i did do it at a budget, most of the work done by friends and motor was pre-built...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
u have weq's old engine dont u?
Still cheating IMO :pQuote:
Originally Posted by myztery
WEQ spent $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on that motor
i really don't know why people argue so much over twin cam single cam, b20, k24, b18,yada yada yada
its like a bunch of girls..( not trying to be sexist )...
we should be happy that we support the "H" symbol dnt matter what motoris in it
appreciate whats available and make the most of it... thats what i believe
ye i know but it wasnt me like i said i spent according to my budgetQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
yes and noQuote:
Originally Posted by kazam
his internals my block and my head
lol that shit wasn't dun on a budget lol