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Are you sure about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
That's what James told me!It'd cost $200 to flash it back to stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Alright - i'll wait to see the detailsQuote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
Oh so you can flash it back to stock? thts pretty good.. how much is it just for flashing of ECU not the intake exhaust etc...
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Originally Posted by johnprocter
You can't "flash" your intake or exhaust....
lol i know i was talking about how they have the 3 packages which one of them includes their exhaust system and intake..
Approx.$1000.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
You'd want to see some fairly strong gains for that sort of money...Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
I wonder if vtec point will be changed with Stage 1?
i want this product
Approx.20kw ATW apparently.VTEC point will be changed(lower)to under 4000RPM i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
is there meant to be 4 stages to choose from?
Not 4 stages anymore.Dont know wat theyre calling it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
I think that gains made on vtec engagement point but top final gains won't be that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
20kw atw sounds pretty decent to me. Even better if gains are at the midrange rather than the top-end.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALN
I'm planning on going for Stage 1 and upgrading the intake to either Hondata or Comptech Icebox (I still want it quiet). The exhaust and headers upgrade are a little tempting, but I just know that there's going to be a significant noise gain. And whilst I liked the sound of a 3" exhaust on my last car, I'm loving the stealth sound of the Euro.
The maximum kw would not be gained by alot even there is improvement on vtec engagement. There are alot japs cat back that don't make alot of noise as long as you're not changing your CAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
?? Do you mean that there are a lot of Japanese cat-back exhaust systems for the Euro that are quiet?Quote:
Originally Posted by ALN
I believe the Hondata exhaust system comes with a high-flow cat standard. And if the video is anything to go by, the exhaust does sound loud. But that's ok. I'm sure heaps of people won't mind that. I'll just stick to the stealth sound
I'm thinking the same way.I was going to get the lot,IHE+reflash but i like how quiet the Euro is so i think i'll go for just the reflash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
A lot of reputable japs brands are quiet. I'm using Fujitsubo and it is quiet ,and I have few friends using Tanabe as well which is also quiet. Well in all situation, once you replace your cat you suppose to notice significant increase in noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
wonder who is going to install this in syd
Well, my Fujitsubo is pretty quiet and I'm really happy with it. Definitely looking forward to the reflash.
Wonder if the Jtune Headers will fit with the Fujitsubo?
agree with this more than 100%:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by ALN
i also have Fujisubo exhaust. the noise s been a lil bit louder but not anoying loud after i got the rt cat.
The sound in the video is more of the intake than the exhaust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
any news on the hondata??
i thought it was nearly out. is it still going to be release or what
Its getting very long winded this. Im sooo temped to just get a quality intake and header and forget about this. Its just my curiosity that keeps me checking...
Wow this thread is over 2 years old now :eek:
can we get some update from the people doing stuff relating to this
I rang Croydons and "apparently" they can flash my euro in a couple of weeks for 12-1600 moolahs. Will ring again next week.
btw, Croydon's is listed as a dealer on hondatech site
I've given up!Remember Leon when the reflash is finally released, 06-07 models(us)have to wait ANOTHER 3-4 mths.:thumbdwn::thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
.......which will likely be another yr or two!......:eek:...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
keep us up dated im very interestedQuote:
Originally Posted by EuroBro
Tony i feel your pain
Please keep us updated!I thought 03-05 will be released then approx.3-4 mth.wait for 06-07.:confused:I hope i'm wrong!!Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroBro
I only want another 67kw for $800 I dont see what the problem/hold up is?
where did the officials go?? can they give us some feedback please
Suggest you speak to James. Apparently the product was finished 29 May and they were waiting to finish the web site...I really hope they release soon because this little baby can't be far away...Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
http://tinypic.com/mcuo2b.jpg
DAMN! That looks cute, but dont expect the bulging wheel arches like that. And they better be putting in the new advanced vtec engine in it. And SH-AWD
for some reason, the front looks like a camry? :(
It's because of the headlights. But.... the Camry's lights copied the Euro, which came out first. So that concept doesn't look like a Camry. It's the Camry that looks like the Euro.Quote:
Originally Posted by euro77
2003:
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st...9/1939_2lo.jpg
2006:
http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5208252,00.jpg
Anyone heard anything more about the Hondata product? Is it worthwhile, or is it easier/cheaper to build your own kit?
(The new Euro looks sweet!)
From their website:
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=863&page=5
"The latest is we’re changing our header design to accommodate more power in the automatic euro and make them compatible for fitment. The automatic Euro has a 2mm spacer behind the drive shafts and is not identical to the manual, this causes interference problems which is currently being rectified. For those who want more information please visit us at our research and testing facilities Rev Zone in Melbourne."
Not great news for people waiting patiently for release. One of these days there is going to be a good news story to say it has been sold, fitted and delivered to a Euro owner...
Hondata???I think everyone here's given up waiting and waiting(i know i have):(:thumbdwn:
I would have kept my Euro if this was available even just 2 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
It is a shame because the reflash product itself will be good value and you get peace of mind that all the bolt ons work together nicely.
It's a shame for them to hold up the manual Euro release because they want to fine tune the auto version.
I also have given up.
Yep me too. Im looking at a new system with I/H piggyback...
I agree.From what i've seen and read I'm sure the products inc.reflash will perform well,it's just the waiting and release dates that keep getting pushed forward that has pissed me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
WOW..just thought I'd add my bit here...I'm from the UK and we had a prototype Hondata ecu over here about a year ago.
What we had to do was take out our ecu and substitute it for one that Hondata had reflashed......this cost £900 odd!!!!!!...we also had to loose the use of the immobiliser as well as other annoying effects...suffice it to say I didn't go for it...it was just too expensive for the hassle......we have a thread about it here
So what's the go with the "stages" now???? Will the ECU for stock I/H/E be the same as that for the full blown upgraded I/H/E?Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
I suppose that allows for future upgrades of I/H/E without the hassle of having to reflash for maximum gains.
I would also prefer that the reflash be tuned for maximum gains on 98 RON fuel. Why would you bother running anything less on a retuned car?
Anyone heard anything more? I'm guessing he has been pretty busy with his new baby! :)
Hey all,
Just a quick comment to tell everybody that I have been involved in the testing of the Hondata Euro 5AT with James at Rev Zone.
I am very suprised at the quality of the products and the amount of power the car has produced from the limited 5AT engine.
The release is very close now, keep checking the Hondatech site for more info. I can tell you that the results are going to be very exciting, even compared against the biggest brand names in the aftermarket car scene.
cheers
Heng
I'm glad that I only waited for a few months unlike many that have waited for years.
Lastest update.....release date is October 14....................2046.
Sweet, thanks for the info Hengis! Are you able to give us any figures on your results or pricing?Quote:
Originally Posted by hengis
Unfortunately no but I can tell you that the figures have surprised even myself, and pricing will be competitive especially for an N/A engine with that amount of power output.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhettzor
cheers
what yr model auto is your euro? because i remember reading somewhere that the reflash won't be available for 06+ autos :(Quote:
Originally Posted by hengis
well it says hes got an 06 euro so guess thats good news for u =P
^ yah!! weehoo =O
Let me also say that I have driven my car for a change ... and yes is very quick...the figures James is getting now in KW and Tourque from the car is very good. while I can't release them ..sorry guys they are impressive. The final tune has been created the final design of the exhaust extractors and intake have been done which was the main delay.......web site is now being updated so is very very close now.
Yes, I have an 06 5AT.
lol oh damn i cant wait for this to be released.
from the sounds of things it sounds so expensive compared to having a I/E/H ?
What's the total price of an I/H/E and ECU + tuning? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by r-r-redEuro
sounds nice..if its less than 1k im in lol.
btw hengis, is urs night black hawk with mugen kit and works cr kai?
lol id say about 3G ? hmm so the hondata would be cheaper.. how cheaper ? or is that the question everyone is asking ?
If you dig up the old thread, the I/H/E + hondata package was about 4k+. That was a long time ago. Not sure about the price now.Quote:
Originally Posted by r-r-redEuro
Hmm, Toda headers ($1400ish), K&N CAI ($400ish), BC catback ($1000), highflow cat ($400), ECU+tuning ($1000ish). No where near $3k man....
I'm guessing at least $4.5k for I/H/E + ECU. Considering how long it's taking them to release it since they announced it, I'm kind of worried how long it will take them to fix problems if there are any.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
What problems do you expect to encounter? :) From their updates, the fit and finish should be perfect since they have been rejecting any substandard samples from their manufacturer. The ECU reflash itself works fine, it is only the tuning that is the biggest question. Will it ping when the 40ºC summer arrives?Quote:
Originally Posted by sodaz
Regarding the bolt-ons it's hard to tell until it's actually released. Even big companies like DC Sports and Comptech have problems with their products and they have a much bigger R&D and manufacturing budget. I'm not sure what problems can occur with the ECU but as far as i know they have only tested their products and software on 1 car in Australia. I'm just not too confident at this point, but we'll see...Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
For the JTUNE(Hondata)I/H/E+reflash group buy=$4k+tuning which i think will be approx.$300.It's definitely the way to go if you want extra kw.from your car.Personally i wouldn't mess around with anything else.
yes it isQuote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
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Originally Posted by aaronng
1) much respect to you aaronng, but I would like to see you get your ECU and tuning done for your k24a for $1000 right now.
2) the total cost of your calculation adds up to $4200.....
I don't want to dwelve into pricing cuz its not my area as far as Hondata is concerned, but my set up so far:
injen intake: 450 shipped
greddy exhaust: 1350 shipped
metal cat: 500 shipped and flanges welded
headers: 360 shipped
and vafc + tuning: 650
= $3300
if I had toda headers, add another $1000 to that figure.
these don't even include fitting costs.
for that much money, the gains aren't worth it. I can live with that fact cuz its an N/A engine.
Even if the whole HONDATA setup was for 5k, I can tell you the power figures would be well worth that value.
Are you running the china knockoff headers? Also, VAFC does not constitute a proper ECU. That is a piggy back that can only alter fuel trim. It can't even alter ignition timing, let alone the VTC cam timing. Just because of your VAFC, you won't be coming anywhere near the potential power gain of your mods. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hengis
A proper stanalone system like the Motec with all the add on modules to support the electronic throttle would come up to about $4k for just the ECU and tuning alone.
Hi Guys,
Not knowing pricing for the JTune package but all I know is that I have seen the product first hand with dyno results and 1/4 mile times to back this up and to be honest you WILL be making power all round with massive increases from mid to high.
Not owning a Euro myself (I have a DC5R) comparing dyno results from the JTune Euro with my dyno sheets. All I can say is it has gone from tame to Wild. I can't disclose any more then this, but for those that are willing to wait you wont be disappointed and will fall in love with your Euro's again.
just wonderin' does Greddy V-Manage work with our k24? because i saw some ads in auto salon mag saying it can be used for i-vtec but does it support electronic throttle?
?? so your just tuning with the vafc WITH the hondata ecu reflash or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by hengis
V-manage is only an i-vtec controller. It can support VTC, which is something that other piggybacks can't do. It's meant to be used together with the E-manage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Yes I am running the china knockoff headers with a double-layered flex pipe.
Yes I run an inefficient piggyback ECU.
But you have missed the point aaronng. The point is, Hondata will deliver competitive pricing and performance against the biggest brand names.
I indicated that Hondata delivers good value in terms competitive pricing and performance even against the biggest names in the industry.
You indicated in this reply that it was not competitive...
"If you dig up the old thread, the I/H/E + hondata package was about 4k+. That was a long time ago. Not sure about the price now.
Hmm, Toda headers ($1400ish), K&N CAI ($400ish), BC catback ($1000), highflow cat ($400), ECU+tuning ($1000ish). No where near $3k man...."
and provided a list of premium aftermarket modifications that you claim came only to less than $3000 (with a questionable ECU solution+tuning coming at $1000). in actual fact, that list adds up to $4200.
In my post, I challenged you to find an aftermarket ECU solution for $1000. I also listed my mods to show that overall I have the biggest brand names on my car (bar the headers), and indicated the power output and cost is not as competitive as the HONDATA setup. Even if I did have a TODA header, that aftermarket setup would cost even more than a fully integrated Hondata system.
You cannot call this setup a competitive setup in price power output vs the Hondata setup, aaronng:
Motech ECU+tuning 4000ish+600ish tune
Buddyclub CBE 1000ish
K&N CAI 400ish
?higherflow? cat 400ish
Toda headers 1400ish
total cost: 7,800
I had a vafc before testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
the flash makes the vafc obselete =P
Compared to other setups, the hondata kit appeals to me because all the components are designed to compliment each other. And from the sounds of it, the setup produces a surprisingly nice amount of output. With that in mind, the hondata kit represents great value for money, even if it does cost a little more than a DIY kit.
Sure, it hasn't been released yet, and yes it was supposed to be available "soon", but considering what is out there now for the Euro, i think its work the wait. :)
T_T im so confused. hengis are you able to tell me if the hondata is cheaper then putting the whole I/H/E system ?
btw aaronng, are having the BC catback and highflow cat worthwhile? what exactly do they do, sorry for the noob question and for it being abit off topic. my apology.
If you are referring to whether a Hondata (aka Jtune) I/H/E system would cost more than a popular i/h/e combination (i.e buddyclub, greddy etc) than that would depend on the price/quality of the aftermarket system.Quote:
Originally Posted by r-r-redEuro
You will be able to compare them side by side once the products are released.
cheers
Most Euro owners here who have done intake/header/ exhaust have done so because they did not want to wait or have waited a long time already for Hondata solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by r-r-redEuro
So is using brand name components for I/H/E cheaper than Hondata, only they can tell u this once it has been released to the public.
Having a high flow cat and any cat back exhaust system including BC will give a slight improvement but nothing neck breaking.
Regardless of what bolt on parts you have they will never really produce a significant result unless there is some form of ECU manipulation either piggy back, reflash or replacement.
The other part of the ECU saga is the capability/talent/experience of the person tunning your car to produce a result done properly a dyno.
A lot of tunning shops can install parts but there is not a lot of people who understand and have the experience of tuning K24's.
There are a couple of guys on this form who are working on different Euro ECU projects other than Hondata so lets hope we hear from a few others too.
But Hondata just keep waiting......:(
I like how all the hondata prototype spies have come out of the woodwork... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hengis
I think $5k for all bolt ons etc to go a little faster in a straight line is not good value. I can't see the Euro pulling a sub 14 or something really special anytime soon without turbo / supercharger. My guess is it will pull a mid 14 or thereabouts and that is with everything i/h/e flash.
But I guess it depends on what people see as priorities - I see working on suspension, sway and bracing as better bang for buck.
Base reflash is the way to go I think for most people. That is where the value is. At least you can sell the car in that tune without stuffing around with future reflashes.