K20 or K24 OEM camshafts?
What was the ramp rate & inertia for this run? (or shootout mode used)
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K20 or K24 OEM camshafts?
What was the ramp rate & inertia for this run? (or shootout mode used)
Mixture of OEM camshafts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
Ramp rate 150 stablise time 3.0sec
Normal tuning mode (new dyno dynamic software)
Fair enough, Good result :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
if e85 wasnt used in the previous run, how much less power would it make?
OEM K20A POWER... :p
Customer car (Twest)
Engine - K20A (Standard EP3 Type R)
Displacement - 1998cc (Stock)
Bore -86.0 (Stock)
Stroke - 86.0 (Stock)
CR -11.5:1 (Stock)
Camshaft - EP3 CTR (Stock)
Vtec Swap - 4000rpm @ 90kpa / 5700rpm @ 40kpa
Camgear Settings - OEM 50 degree VTC
Gearbox - OEM EP3 CTR
I/H/E - SIMOTA CAI + Skunk2 70mm throttle - Ported & flowed RBC plenum / Kiddracing header / Mugen Twin-loop Ex
Built by Dr Honda
ECU - HONDATA K-Pro tuned by TODA
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...U/IMAG0234.jpg
4th gear runs
Shoot 4 - 80 inertia / 100 ramp rate
Base power run made an impressive peak of 139kw but mixtures were dangerously lean over 6000rpm
Mid range was less than impressive, but base run was untuned.
So anyway, once tuned, LOL, I was pretty happy with this one :p
All comes down to the tuner adrian :P Heaps happy with the tune and thankyou very much for the followup call!Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
p.s Exhaust was Mugen Twinloop.
Engine - K24a3 (Accord Euro)
Displacement - 2400cc
Bore -87.0 mm (stock)
Stroke - 99 mm (stock)
CR -10.5:1 (stock)
Camshaft - Stock with 50VTC
Vtec Swap - 4400
Camgear Settings - OEM 50 degree VTC
Gearbox - K20 6 speed
I/H/E - RBC + 70mm (port matched)/ CAI + blox filter/4-1's/3inch
Fuel - E85
Engine management - Hondata Kpro (BYP Tuned)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...damoretune.jpg
The potential of the stock K24 engine are amazing. Check out the results from this k24 with basic bolt-ons. With E85, this engine makes peak power @ 6500rpm and carries 148kw all the way to 8000rpms. This engine was in a very fast EG :)
this thread is becoming BYP vs Toda
Justsayin.
keepin it real.
Yeah was pretty obvious lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
The rebuttal dyno sheets :)
But competition is a way of harvesting growth which cant be bad
would be good to see a mixture of engines, you know, more D series & B series motors.
nomsayin....
TODA power..
just saying.
Looks more like OEM + Hondata power to me
Just sharing with ozhonda. But if you guys dont want me to share, then ill keep it to myself :)
No we need dyno charts,info and feedback so we can all learn and prosper as a community
Quote:
Originally Posted by Confucius
No moarrr dyno graphs !...
Btw Benny is the oil pump in that k24 stock ?
Yeah standard oil pumpQuote:
Originally Posted by GSi_PSi
Quote Originally Posted by Bludger View Post
this thread is becoming BYP vs Toda
Justsayin.
keepin it real.
Haha you couldnt even compare the two at all... Love the EP3 TODA tune beautiful curve so neat and straight through to 8300rpm... well done Adrian show those Americans what us Aussies can do...
post edited for some people who seem to be severely affected by incorrect numbers :)
are you looking at the right graph? it revs to 8.3k lol
^lol fail
in the end dyno is just tuning tool, 177kw eg has proven its power on the track with a 1:04:2 round wakey........just sayin
oh i missed the one where you blew your motor 5 times ..
just saying..
I lol'dQuote:
Originally Posted by AK Type R
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...XEiKJ7KzEEfdmw
Why couldnt you compare them?
thats not a question right ?
who blew their motor 5 times?
read my build thread for the full report. i think a standard motor pushing nearly 300kw @8300 rpm in two seperate cars for over a year is pretty impressive. if you knew something about what your talking about, maybe you wouldn't make such comments.
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by AK Type R
Srs question
Quote:
Originally Posted by AK Type R
didnt blow any of my motors dude, i did blow my wad seeing damo's eg smash every car out there at shift performance trackday...
just sayin
no1 was talking to you gsi_psi stop budding in.. go on youtube and "blow your wad"..
Getting off topic.
far man, what's all this hate,,, going to get you know where, track,, drags will prove it just sayin
keep it clean fellas - its not a competition
http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/942-okay-meme.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by AK Type R
smile didnt mean to upset you :)
ayc kicked in yo
Stop budding in
Because my vtec is bigger than yours :)
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...20239195_n.jpg
hey hey hey, smoke weed everydayQuote:
Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T
hey charles cu den all night like
SPECS BRO SPECSSSSS WHAT IS THAT MOTOR!? And on probably the meanest dyno in Sydney too!Quote:
Originally Posted by SXC-84K
Least Simmy's got it half right in a track wont tell you much about a cars power, nor will the drags really given weights and gearing, same dyno, same day, SAME RAMP RATES, then start comparing. Good to see some good numbers though once you have a basemap, not hard getting a result with a Hondata or most factory based ecu set-ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by simmy
Building the motor, do the porting, degree the cams properly and understand what the adjustments will do prior to doing them and know your not going to damage the motor and then tune it, still not too many shops that can string it all together.
But feel free to correct me if I am wrong. ;)
Engine - JDM B18CR
Displacement - 1.8
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - 4500rpm
Gearbox - Spoon Clutch & Flywheel
I/H/E - Edelbrock Performer X IM, Edelbrock 65mm TB, Mugen airbox, Toda Headers, SARD Cat, Fujitsubo RM01A catback
ECU - Hondata S300 tuned by Adrian (Toda Racing Australia)
Not bad! What made you go with the edelbrock manifold?
Longer runners than ITR's... and was port matched from factory to match my TB of 65mm. IMO best IM for B18C bolt on application.
how does the skunk2 IM compare - i hear such black and white reviews on itQuote:
Originally Posted by zropts
I havent tried it but would be similar. Skunk2 IM comes with 70mm opening. Correct me if I'm wrong.
What did adrian have to say about your combo? thought he says that if your b18c7 is standard, no point in up-grading IM and TB as they are good units from factory?
maor dyno sheettzzz, so interesting to look at.
Nothing.... I was asking for a tune and he did the job. ITR IM and TB are very good as standard units but after $800, would you put both Edelbrock units just to gain that extra 2-3kws? My goal was to have all proven quality performance bolt on mods and reach 130kw. I made sure I could squeeze every kw in that run thus Edelbrock was my personal preference for IM and TB.
Yes you're right, too many black and white reviews on the net and community thus I went Edelbrock as all I've heard was positive feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
I'm under the impression that the ITR IM/TB if ported well is pretty much the best performer, or certainly best value for money. From the reviews I've heard, and from personal experience.
Skunk2 b18c intake manifold came with 64mm opening .Quote:
Originally Posted by zropts
yep, i had to get my old skunk2 IM opened up more to suit the my old 70mm TB setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by EG5
arnt they designed to be ported out if need be?Quote:
Originally Posted by EG5
could easily turn it out on cnc/lathe?
has anyone tried a twin throttle body system on a honda engine before?
iv seen them around on mitsibishis and hyundais
like these systems ...
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/component...dfaadd1c95.jpg
http://image.gmhightechperformance.c...ottle_body.jpg
car made 101.4kw pretty happy about that :)
Engine - B18C2 stock
VTEC X-Over - first at 4500 then vtec kicked in about 6000
Gearbox -stock
I/H/E -custom cold air intake, stock headers, magnaflow muffler
ECU - stock
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/m...r/fb9b441f.jpg
How long did it take to tune?Quote:
Originally Posted by zropts
what year and how many km's on your motor?Quote:
Originally Posted by nate92
Zomg nice, I got only 90kw and my AFRs were all over the place! Do you have an aftermarket intake manifold? I was running a skunk2, that could be a problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by nate92
are you saying it's nice, just to be polite, or you really aspire to that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
98 model and 194xxxkms on itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
Nah no aftermarket intake mani, just stock snail all the way!Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
unlike you i haven't been infected by the bitter cynical hateful virus yet, i mean my complimentsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
are you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
you seem to portray many of those symptoms over on jdmst.
i mean my compliments and i don't mean my insultsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
me too fgtQuote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
Spunk2 manifold on the c2 is disgusting unless you take the time to properly match the tb and tune it.
EXCELLENT result! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by nate92
You should be very pleased with that :)
go for skunk2 70mm tb, hondata + tune?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vvvtec
70mm is huge fgt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
thanks heaps man, yeah im very pleased :) thought i would get like 90 or something like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Vvvtec
true that, just found intake mani is only 64mm in size, ****ing just file the damn TB and portmatch itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
yeah man good work!Quote:
Originally Posted by nate92
No way, 70mm is huuuuugeQuote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
For stock c2 cams, use snail mani and stock tb (maybe ITR 63mm tb with port matched mani) + hondata and tune
To get good result from the shit2 mani, bigger cams + 65mm tb + port match + tune
No need at all for skank2 mani. I hate mine lol. Going back to snail one before kswap goes in I dislike it that much :p
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
Cheers broo
Yeah man i was goin to go teh mani but now i fell inlove with teh whole snail mani man! love the sounds of the 4500 tehn vtec yo!
Good idea dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by nate92
No ones like the snail mani cos it looks ugry lol
But it's great, gives good low-mid range torque
watafk, cams port match and tune? **** this shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Vvvtec
what did you expect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
pnp?
fgt.
expect shit2 to not be 2shit but unfortunately it really is fukkkkkkkQuote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
it gives you pr3 type R style mani on p72 head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
fgt
Port match isn't hard... Infact if you use oem ITR tb you won't need to port anything. If you choose to get true 65mm tb you only need to open up the manifold 1mm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
Think about it, that manifold is designed for ITR head. Even ITR cams would be a nice upgrade over c2 cams. As bau said its not simply pnp if you want to actually get gains from it.
Trust me, I know. It's the trap i fell into when i was a noob haha.
Yeah i get headers and exhaust done thinking of gettin itr cams and hondata and tuning it and pretty much will be happy with teh car like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Vvvtec
Save your money. Instead of buying cams and hondata first, and get yourself an ITR LSD/close ratio box IMO!Quote:
Originally Posted by nate92
Will make your car alot more enjoyable to drive than the cams will :)
hahah i was tossing up between the 2! i didnt know which one to go first! just more money to save for a new clutch and maybe a lighten flywheel while teh box is out
I highly highly highly recommend going the gearbox route.Quote:
Originally Posted by nate92