Short Ratio B-series Gboxes?

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16-02-2009, 03:16 PM
SINISTR

Short Ratio B-series Gboxes?

hey guys,

what should I be looking for - if Im wanting to get a short ratio gbox to fit a B16A.

EK or DC2 Gbox?

throw me something to think about...
16-02-2009, 03:32 PM
lil_foy

98spec dc2r box.
16-02-2009, 03:36 PM
<sloth>

dc2r has oem LSD and shorter ratio.
look to spend around $1800ish.
16-02-2009, 03:50 PM
Lukezen27

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107000

$1500
16-02-2009, 04:18 PM
lil_foy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukezen27

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107000

$1500

That has a 4.4fd.
Not short.
16-02-2009, 04:37 PM
gambate

Quote:

Originally Posted by lil_foy

That has a 4.4fd.
Not short.

but it do have shorter 4th and 5th vs the 98 spec.
16-02-2009, 04:44 PM
SINISTR

cheers guys - but anything out there thats non TypeR and non $1000+

im picking up the new motor tomorrow night I think... JDM B16A..
16-02-2009, 05:20 PM
Lukezen27

Quote:

Originally Posted by SINISTR

cheers guys - but anything out there thats non TypeR and non $1000+

im picking up the new motor tomorrow night I think... JDM B16A..

I just got a JDM B16A :thumbsup:

Look for
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine#B16
16-02-2009, 07:06 PM
phwoaaa

dont think so there is any besides type r ..

ek's are 4.4fd the ek9's have lsd

dc2r are 4.4 lsd if 96spec and other models maybe..

98spec onwards are 4.7lsd!

ur definately looking at roughly 1500$ even for the 4.4's since price has inflated abit..

imo.. get a 4.7 type r box..
or maybe a 4.4box if ur planning to throw in a aftermarket gearset anyway..
19-02-2009, 08:51 PM
kraiye

wat about an em1 box? they not short enough?
20-02-2009, 11:52 AM
Limbo

em1 & ek4 have same gearbox. The actual gears are shorter than the dc2.
The b16a2 boxes have the same gear ratios as the ITR, except the ITR has a lower FD of 4.7 + the LSD.
20-02-2009, 01:14 PM
markoJEK1

You mean a higher FD 4.7 > 4.4
20-02-2009, 02:36 PM
delsol9000rpms

no its actually a lower final drive... its the opposite when you are talking about the final drives...

b16a2 boxes have closer 4th and 5th gear ratios then the type r gearbox... and a 4.4 final drive

however the final drive on the type r gearbox is a 4.785 so that is why they made 4th and 5th gear longer in the type r gearbox so it doesnt sit too high in the revs on the highways etc...

delsol b16a2's usually have y21 gearboxes, ek4's have the s4c,, dont know about the em1's? however they are all the same...
20-02-2009, 03:48 PM
Lukezen27

What are the JDM B16A box's like?
20-02-2009, 11:47 PM
delsol9000rpms

same as the other b16a gearboxes etc
20-02-2009, 11:49 PM
Lukezen27

Quote:

Originally Posted by delsol9000rpms

same as the other b16a gearboxes etc

Ok for boost yeah?

My gears sucked on my D16
20-02-2009, 11:51 PM
fatboyz39

B16a are the same JDM/AUDM/US etc etc
21-02-2009, 01:21 AM
SINISTR

so for track work - B16A gbox would be good? Im trying to get a cable gbox as the car is cable and i don't particularly want to modify stuff for Hydraulic unless i really have to.

Im looking for something that won't have a long 5th, and fairly close 3-4-5th if 5th possible - keeping it within vtec around barbagallos which has quiet a few 3rd/4th corners and don't want to drop out of vtec too much.
21-02-2009, 07:35 AM
fatboyz39

Quote:

Originally Posted by SINISTR

so for track work - B16A gbox would be good? Im trying to get a cable gbox as the car is cable and i don't particularly want to modify stuff for Hydraulic unless i really have to.

Im looking for something that won't have a long 5th, and fairly close 3-4-5th if 5th possible - keeping it within vtec around barbagallos which has quiet a few 3rd/4th corners and don't want to drop out of vtec too much.

I would go hydro gearbox. Not much more work to get it working. Just need to buy the hydro mount kit (hasport, innovative). IMO use the b16a box, rip it apart and install a 4.9FD and LSD. The gearing will suit the b16a well.
21-02-2009, 02:05 PM
swooshek

Hey Mike, so for drags the same theory applies shorter ratios/ larger drive?

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...k/JdmBoxes.jpg
21-02-2009, 03:01 PM
delsol9000rpms

b16a box+ 4.928+ lsd= win for n/a applications and it works very well for track
b16a box+ lsd = win for boosted applications
21-02-2009, 06:38 PM
SINISTR

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatboyz39

I would go hydro gearbox. Not much more work to get it working. Just need to buy the hydro mount kit (hasport, innovative). IMO use the b16a box, rip it apart and install a 4.9FD and LSD. The gearing will suit the b16a well.

yeah, but remember im installing this into a gen1 - not sure if it works in the same way?
22-02-2009, 11:38 PM
SINISTR

what about a typeR gbox then with 4.7 FD and LSD - was suggested in the first couple posts.. good choice?
23-02-2009, 12:08 AM
vteccoupe

Quote:

Originally Posted by SINISTR

what about a typeR gbox then with 4.7 FD and LSD - was suggested in the first couple posts.. good choice?

i guess with type R gb u would have a more decent hway cruising rpm 100km/h 3500rpm. If u are going with the b16a gearbox but with 4.9 Final drive, cruising speed rpm would be quite hard to live with.
23-02-2009, 12:11 AM
SINISTR

there will be no cruising - this is a track only car....
23-02-2009, 12:25 PM
VT3C

mike, there's a dude 'swoosh' selling EK9 gearbox (on our forum) for like $1300 !!! BARGAIN !!
23-02-2009, 12:27 PM
SINISTR

yeah i know... i've seen it yet $1300 for me isn't a bargain LOL $500 is! i know i sound cheap but i'd rather do some wrench time in order to get the stuff cheaper.. labour for parts.
23-02-2009, 07:50 PM
90LAN

Quote:

Originally Posted by SINISTR

yeah i know... i've seen it yet $1300 for me isn't a bargain LOL $500 is! i know i sound cheap but i'd rather do some wrench time in order to get the stuff cheaper.. labour for parts.

well u will be looking for a very long time lol
u stepped up in prices playing with b series parts
just use what u have if u dont like it
then start to think what would suit your driving style
sounds like u want this to be a real budget build
24-02-2009, 09:28 AM
VT3C

couldnt agree more 90LAN.. B-series aint cheap !! supply and demand drives the prices up and keeps them there..

you might find a destroyed B-series box for $500 LOL..

EK9 and DC2-R boxes in good condition usually go for $2,000.. get used to it..

I think Mike has an Auto box, so I dont think he'll be using what he has haha.. he'll need non-auto cams and ECU too :P
24-02-2009, 02:00 PM
marcoardeno

Quote:

Originally Posted by VT3C

couldnt agree more 90LAN.. B-series aint cheap !! supply and demand drives the prices up and keeps them there..

you might find a destroyed B-series box for $500 LOL..

EK9 and DC2-R boxes in good condition usually go for $2,000.. get used to it..

I think Mike has an Auto box, so I dont think he'll be using what he has haha.. he'll need non-auto cams and ECU too :P

is tehre any difference btween auto b16 vs man b16 cams>???
24-02-2009, 02:40 PM
DEMON83

Quote:

Originally Posted by phwoaaa

dont think so there is any besides type r ..

ek's are 4.4fd the ek9's have lsd

dc2r are 4.4 lsd if 96spec and other models maybe..

98spec onwards are 4.7lsd!

ur definately looking at roughly 1500$ even for the 4.4's since price has inflated abit..

imo.. get a 4.7 type r box..
or maybe a 4.4box if ur planning to throw in a aftermarket gearset anyway..

ONLY JDM DC2R's are 4.7fd, any year! all other B series GB's are 4.4 inc EK9

4.4fd is still pretty short, 100kmh in 5th is about 3500-3600rpm
24-02-2009, 03:10 PM
EK1.6LCIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcoardeno

is tehre any difference btween auto b16 vs man b16 cams>???

no, same cams
24-02-2009, 04:08 PM
SINISTR

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90LAN

well u will be looking for a very long time lol
u stepped up in prices playing with b series parts
just use what u have if u dont like it
then start to think what would suit your driving style
sounds like u want this to be a real budget build

i beg to differ because i've seen B16A manual gbox for $450 in the paper a while ago... i'll just keep looking.
If not I'll just buy another wreck of a Gen3 CRX or EK and strip that down and take what I need - sell the rest.

I do want this to be a budget build - because its a budget track car... if there's a will theres a way.
24-02-2009, 04:36 PM
VT3C

the $450 B16 box was prob an old EF9/EF8/DA9 cable box.. those go for a lot cheaper but they have even taller ratios.. and with transmissions, u get what you pay for LOL.. u buy a $500 box then it fries itself and whack u up for $2k to rebuild it lol..

and EK1-whatever.. auto cams dont have the same spec. i am 90% sure there's a difference !! show me where/how u know ??

mikey MY car is a budget build LOL i havnt paid for any labour since i did my swap and it still owes me 30k..
24-02-2009, 04:46 PM
delsol9000rpms

the b16a auto cams are different to the b16a manual cams... the auto has a lower rev limit etc..
24-02-2009, 05:21 PM
markoJEK1

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEMON83

ONLY JDM DC2R's are 4.7fd, any year! all other B series GB's are 4.4 inc EK9

4.4fd is still pretty short, 100kmh in 5th is about 3500-3600rpm

Err no, what phwooa said is correct the 96 JAP DC2R are 4.4, thats what I got in mine, same FD as EK9's, Now 98 and up DC2R's are 4.7

Need to read a bit more
24-02-2009, 05:42 PM
90LAN

only 98 itr are 4.7
ek9's are 4.4 marko
your doing well to find a $450 b series hydro box
24-02-2009, 05:49 PM
VT3C

Quote:

Originally Posted by delsol9000rpms

the b16a auto cams are different to the b16a manual cams... the auto has a lower rev limit etc..

yeah that's what I thought - the auto cams are optimised for lower RPM peak torque and lower RPM peak HP.. I dont have the specs on me but yeah am 90% certain they are different to manual spec cams. some people actually put auto cams in their mild B20VTEC builds in the states - esp if they running boost.. so they get peak output at the lower RPM..
24-02-2009, 05:51 PM
markoJEK1

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90LAN

only 98 itr are 4.7
ek9's are 4.4 marko
your doing well to find a $450 b series hydro box

I know, I was pointing out what he said was wrong 'ONLY JDM DC2R's are 4.7FD any year' which isnt correct. The 96 is a JDM DC2R and came out with 4.4FD, which is same as the EK9
24-02-2009, 06:39 PM
SINISTR

Quote:

Originally Posted by VT3C

the $450 B16 box was prob an old EF9/EF8/DA9 cable box.. those go for a lot cheaper but they have even taller ratios.. and with transmissions, u get what you pay for LOL.. u buy a $500 box then it fries itself and whack u up for $2k to rebuild it lol..

and EK1-whatever.. auto cams dont have the same spec. i am 90% sure there's a difference !! show me where/how u know ??

mikey MY car is a budget build LOL i havnt paid for any labour since i did my swap and it still owes me 30k..

I can pay $2000 for a gbox and do I get a guarantee it will last? This way I get 3-4 gboxes for the price of 1. I may have a typeR box if I do the wrench work and that's fine with me. I have about 3 ways of getting a manual gbox atm for that price. I'll run what I have for now in terms of cams too. Get an ecu from the wrecker too.

Bede, my car didn't cost me anything, mounts I got at half price, same with driveshafts so far, suspension I bought for Bandit, springs will get too or cheap anyway, engine package I have atm and will get manual box even if I have to wait a year. So far cost is under $1500 for this car. The only big cost will be the rollcage IF I ever fit one. This car will run under $3000.
25-02-2009, 10:28 AM
VT3C

awsome !! good luck bro !
25-02-2009, 11:04 AM
SINISTR

thanks mate ... im sure i'll see you out there soon!
25-02-2009, 12:47 PM
VT3C

out where ?? LOL u wont see me out on track - i cant afford tyres and CAMs license etc. untill i find a better job or this stoopid ecconomic downturn goes away LOL..
25-02-2009, 04:25 PM
midnightdood

Quote:

Originally Posted by VT3C

or this stoopid ecconomic downturn goes away LOL..

This one might take awhile.
25-02-2009, 10:42 PM
SINISTR

Quote:

Originally Posted by VT3C

out where ?? LOL u wont see me out on track - i cant afford tyres and CAMs license etc. untill i find a better job or this stoopid ecconomic downturn goes away LOL..

i know its not easy hey.

I haven't paid my cams license for 2yrs now and i havent' renewed my WASCC membership yet either and its already march almost.

Time to send SINI out onto the track i recon... also Anjin said i can drive the B18C powered Gen1 of his too :)
01-03-2009, 05:18 PM
pat88c

hey sinisir

FR33K has b series cable box s1 without lsd
it short ratio b series box that came with jdm da9 b16a vtec

here the link

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103800
01-03-2009, 07:21 PM
SINISTR

that was sold last month... :P

its cool - i've got a low km Y1 Gbox lined up... im get an LSD for it and will be sweet.

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