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guys(and girls) just wondering if anyone has experience with the D16Y8 engines and whether one with 125,***km on the clock is too many to turbo it. just trying to keep the budget down and its looking like i may have to consider engine internals which i know cost money...
my setup would be a low 8psi boost using a t3/to4B as i have noticed this to be fairly popular choice with the d16..
comments?
cheers
do it
do wat? the internals or the turbo???
just turbo it
d series motors are cheap
if i had a B i might build it... but i cant justify spending so much money on a D when on 8psi u'll be fine and if worst does happen, it will be just a fraction of the cost of building to replace the motor
i think your turbo is too big for your setup especially on only 8PSI, i'm assuming your going for a small power increase?
yer exactly. i want to keep the budget down as much as possible (without buying shit parts though).
im looking at something like 4 grand. without install/tune. but am considering buying one of those pre-made pacs off the net and upgrading the turbo..
wat u recomend limbo? im honestly unsure in the world of turbos..
rocket industries makes a terrific kit for the d16y8....
http://www.rocketindustries.com.au/d...?partno=ED1500
my mate has it installed in his coupe in the USA, it's not half bad
nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by EK1.6LCIV
do you have any info about the kit? parts etc? cost
D16Y's are recognized as having weak conrods, which above 200Hp are recommended to be replaced with aftermarket units.
At 8psi you're about borderline, but that's a big turbo which will pump lots of cool air, relative to smaller units, so you should probably use a higher safety margin.
YCP Vitara pistons are very popular (and cheap) for turbo d16's. Visit www.d-series.org or turbod16.com.
Search for user 'FJT'. I think he sells component packages for d16's which you might be interetested in.
The Vitara pistons will drop your compression ratio down to high 7's low 8's. With a big turbo, it's something you will realy want to consider.
D16y's have a marginal oilling system. Search for spun bearings and there'll be no shortage of matches.
Either get a d16z6 oil pump (OEM high flow pump, will lose dip stick hole, not 100% sure about fit), relieve the oil pressure relief valve, or get a Toga aftermarket.
Morosso Accumulator II's are cheap and may help.
If you go the budget route, ARP head studs and a metal gasket with attention to deck and head surface finish will go a long way.
Then you'll need bigger injectors and have to deal with ignition timing.
Search on my login name, I've written about same topic previously.
Nick.
PS> IMHO that's a BIG turbo. 5000rpm spool. Great for strip, not so for street.
That sounds reasonable, you should be able to get quite a good system for that money
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Originally Posted by paps02
4k without install or ecu+tune is doable...
where are u located? if in sydney i can recommend a very good place
nah im in brisbane.Quote:
Originally Posted by [ricer]
how about a t3, t25 or t28? those seem better sized?
to be 100% honest i dont know the difference in any... i just thought that the t3/t04b was the right one. i read it in alot of those setups online :-S. i take it thats not a desirable one for my setup then...Quote:
Originally Posted by d15z1SUX
thanks for the advice. keep it going.
T25 for instant boost out of a corner. Good sized for your goals (8psi).
T3, my pick. RB25DET turbos if limited to less than 12psi are sweet. 3-4k rpm boost.
T28 is somewhere in between and a very, very good choice. T28 with A/r = 0.8 from Pulsar GTiR is almost the size of a T3. A/r = 0.63 (eg Nissan 200sx) a bit smaller. A/r = 0.48 at the small end of T28 turbos, comparable to a healthy T25.
There are some boost calculators on the web. Do some research into sizing turbos if you really want to get into it.
Important specs are compressor trim and turbine A/r. A book by Corky Bell is available as a download on the web and is good intro into turbos.
Nick.
Don't forget that the cars you are quoting are 2.0l engines.
The D series does not have that kind of puff. Its only a baby 1.6 SOHC
a T25 should be ok, but a T28 will make abit more power.
Ask Ricer he had a GT28r on his Y8 motor.(and i'm still pissed you didn't let me drive it! I hope your enjoying those rims!)
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Originally Posted by nd55
The rocket kit retails around $3500, call them up as prices change often
anyone know much about these rocket kits from an experience point of view? for that price seems like i would get some quality parts.
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Originally Posted by EK1.6LCIV
nope got a site so i can have a look?
for those of you playing at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by EK1.6LCIV
just sent an inquiry through to AVO asking about cast manifold and dump pipe as limbo suggested to me..
cant say thankyou enough for the hlep
Edelbrock also do a full kit. Individual parts are available if you dig for part numbers.
Fullrace do ram manifolds.
There's a suprising number of turbo piece manufacturers for the D16.
Avoid the Ebay SSautochrome bits. Known to fail regularly.
Nick
having no luck with the greddy kit. anyone know of an australian importer??
edelbrock is wow expensive as is the rocket industries..
PM the guy I got mine off..Quote:
Originally Posted by paps02
http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZracingimporter
thanks mate. get into some more research for all this stuff this week. hopefully find all the info im looking for...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
my eng was i think bout 180 when i turboed it..
so do it
With a built motor though?Quote:
Originally Posted by VTC-8OY
Possible with a stock motor. Heading into danger zone though. 160-170 is safe. Above its a game of luck, either ur lucky and have a solid motor, of not and it goes bust. Seen a US d hit like 300kw on a boost spike. the dyno chart in on turbod16 somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
To the thread starter. As u can see, u can have exactly what u asked for for arround 2.5k if u can do some stuff yourself.
The greddy kit is quality kit. U can get it here for little money and run it straight outta the box. People who say otherwise dont have experiance with this.
I personally ran this kit for 2 years on the stock tune on 7 psi (2psi above factory set). Only mod to the kit was a small cooler. The current owner of the car is still running the same tune no probs.
thanks dude... yer i was basically looking for ppl who have had experience in the boosting of hondas to let me know what they think.. alot of good feedback which has helped. ill be sure to let you all know how the project progresses..Quote:
Originally Posted by aimre
Greddy kit looks the way to go. then maybe get some avo extractors and dumppipe as they would be of higher quality. garret t28 bb turbo (aparently thats what ppl recomend)
just trying to find a tuner now. got a mechanic who will install it but now the tuner.. i hear alot of good and bad feedback about various ppl here in brisbane as to who i should go to..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GREDD...QQcmdZViewItem
$1553 soooooooo cheap + postage ofcourse!!!
looks dodgy... im 96 civic aswell so not sure if thats the right one. the 96-00 greddy is 2200 + tax so at least i know that im buying. id rather pay that bit extra and get the right stuff..Quote:
Originally Posted by teaseR
thanks anyways though
oh shit... i thought u have an eg civic. soz my bad
pretty sure there is no tax to be paid. Had a look at this kit as Luke has one. Its not too bad if you only want small power
That's the kit I opted to get originally for the Y1...slight change of plans hehe Good kit I reckon.
yer i dont exactly owe vin diesel a ten secon car or anything.. but where do you think it could be improved?? the kit that is..Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
Needs injectors (RC or precision are quite good value for money), ECU(i recommend PFC) & fuel pump (Walbro), Intercooler (something a decnet size to fit into your front), BOV (that's a preference).
Even though it does say it can use standard Injectors and fuel pump get them, as its insurance. One wrong move in that department can cause a blown engine.
The other thing is the dump pipe is not the smoothest design, might be able to get a custom made one. depending on space.
The Greddy turbo is quite good for low boost apps (good for up to 10PSI). Especially when your not too sure what to do.
later you can always upgrade the turbo with a EVO turbo as the Greddy kit uses Mitsubishi turbos. Or you can Highflow your turbo.
I've seen in the past the AVO kits makes some decent power, why not have them build it all for you, the last d-series I remember seeing from them punched out a healthy 130kW atw, not too bad
AVO kit is good but abit more expensive.
The AVo uses a T28 (have a few different ones depending on kit).
Luke's got the Greddy and i have to say i was quite impressed with the kit and certainly value for money.
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Originally Posted by EK1.6LCIV
i wouldnt expect anything less then that on a y8 motor
my y4 made 117kw atw on a very safe tune but with a custom kit with room for improvement... but i didnt wanna spend anymore money lol
I can make 131Kw at 11-12psi right now with only 2" exhaust..Quote:
Originally Posted by EK1.6LCIV
My guess is I should make 130KW at 10psi once my 2.5" exhaust is installed..
There's a reason why the GReddy kits sucks at higher psi.. It’s the crap actuator as WEQ found out a long time ago when trying to up the boost..
New GCG 8 pound actuator installed now and they made a massive difference.. and an Elec boost controller will help even more
So just add $150 bucks on top of the kit or buy a very good elec boost controller..
avo is something like double the price. im only looking for 8psi so i think the greddy would be ideal for what i am after..
Its also a small turbo, it maxes out too early.
But for small boost its perfect. You will get virtually no lag also
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Originally Posted by Lukezen27
Yeah lag is for sure a big plus :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
Also the Y8 GReddy kits have a slighly bigger turbo than mine :)
avo kit is quality though... it uses garret turbo charger and u can even choose to have a black anodized intercooler...
super stealth
i like the sounds of that... not the price though hahah. i sent them an email bout their kit and how much and wat it entales etc etc. il post up what they say when i get itQuote:
Originally Posted by [ricer]
Good idea turbo-charging the dseries. It presents excellent value for money. I used to own a y8 turbo, in brisbane too. Not much power as tuners were few and far between. I used a guy at kp performance in salisbury but don't go there. He doesn't know anything about hondas. Maybe a bolt on kit is just what you need. But the best gains would be to tune it to your engine. There's not too much difference between the greddy and avo turbo kit. There will be a huge difference in tune though.
definently having troubles searching for a tuner. might end up having to take it somewhere else for that (sydney) if i dont find anyone worthy...Quote:
Originally Posted by 7ypeR
ppl have said some mixed stuff bout dynodave so i dunno,
"Ivan" from some place in brisbane said something on boost how he dosnt want ppl like me coming to his shop and blamin us for blowing up my engine so yer sounds like there is a background story that needs checking there.
No tune needed to begin with at stock boost as the GReddy kit e-manage comes pre-tuned for your motor with safe base line maps :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7ypeR
I drove my car for months without a tune
Adrian (TODA) dynoed it for me just to be sure and yup perfect safe tune...
Thats what i mean. It's pre-tuned so it's a universal map for most fuel types. Not every engine will be in the same condition, some may have more compression than others and so forth. That's why if your engine is in better condition, why not make full use of the turbo kit? It will handle a more agressive tune safely than an engine that has been used and abused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
Yeah for sure :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7ypeR
pre-tuned 97kw
After real tune 120wk
Dynodave does some amazing tunes, and yes u won't have much luck in Brissy for a tuner of your d-series engine most looked at me in amazement that I would even think to do such a thing to my engine as it is time consuming and not the easiest of things to draw power from. Most people I know with d-series turboed do it themselves, it's good practice and all have made great results doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by paps02
Ivan is the king of the b-series engine in Brisbane imo, I would say go that route as it's simple and about the same price as a turboing your stock d-series engine. Just my 2c as I've sourced every option for my EJ8 and turboing the std D16Y8 was the most expensive, time consuming of them all with the K20 swap included which for the same power is amazingly enough the same price!
yer im just going by what i hear..
but for the type of engine ur exactly right. it will be alot harder to find someone who knows whats going on with this particular engine. but who knows i might get lucky.
but yer turbo will in both the long and short term will be the most expensive.
just note that the emanage is a pain to wire. You can get a harness but it doesn't work straight away. Luke can explain.
I'd run hondata or PFC and i know James & Adrian fly around to tune, depending on how many tunes they can do.
why not look into this one
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87922
all you need is a proper ECU, injectors, fuel pump. Its got most of the main parts.
Not too badly priced & in your state
It dose in fact, they just don't setup the e-mange or have clear info on how to but I've worked it all out now :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
Its a combo of setting to get it all working right and now I know how its done is quiet simple but it was driving me mad for a while heheh
thanks dude.. going to try organise with him to have a look and take a mechanic along with me see if he thinks its worth it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
If that turbo-kit is no good, and you wouldn't mind paying a little extra for brand new bolt-on, you can go and see a guy name Marco@autobahn macgregor. He has sourced many greddy parts and should be able to source you the turbo-kit for a competitive price and also have warranty. He works sunday - thursday. Know's a thing or 2 about cars and products.
Hope that helps you
thanks 7ypeR.. iv pmd that other guy and will just wait for him to respond
turbo it, could turn out heaps cheap with good connections on parts
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Originally Posted by EK1.6LCIV
Lol you serious man? a turbo d the same price as a k conversion? where were you getting your prices?
In terms of tuners. I am not going to say Who is good and who is bad... BUT... In MY experience. I tried many many times to contact dave, Email, phone, sms.... Said i had money to spend, no expense would be cut. No calls back nothin. I Contacted james and got instant reply, gave me free (unbiased) advice and even took a quick look at my current tune.
As i said, not saying who is good and who is shit. Just my experiences.
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Originally Posted by Sexc86
Sexc86 on the money
Dave's so hard to contact is not funny though I've hear he's quite good..
James also gave me good free advice no questions asked.. but he's not in my state..
Adrian from TODA has been the most approachable IMO so I've stuck with him, plus he knows my setup and what's happened thus far...
Best bet is to find someone who you feel you connect with and say with them...
I 2nd thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
The price is the same for the power I'm chasing and for the age of the motor I'm goin to be working with the K is my best option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
Check out Predator Motorsports at their site http://www.predatormotorsport.com.au/indexMAIN.html or go onto CruisingBrisbane.com give them a bell for another opinion on your install, may as well get as many quotes as u can and their worksmanship is excellent
fair enough, herd some dodgy stuff about predator so ill be steering clear. thanks anway mate
there's a bit to the story of the white Skyline, they've helped at least 10 of my mates build some incredible/road legal cars and will do the same for anyone else. I can show u some of their work if you're keen whenever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
cheap option is defantly turboing, just throw a greedy turbo kit on it and get it tuned up. will give u a nice power gain
yer im just going to end up doin the turbo ay, seems easier then engine swap...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aza
but yer just had a bender in melbourne so thats set the old savings back a bit ahah (crown casino)...
is d16y8 the stock engine for the ej vti coupe ?? im not very familiar with ej's ......
but if so im guessing ur budget range will get u a greddy turbo kit for sure~
i drove a d16y8 awhile back with greddy turbo kit and it was plenty of fun on 7psi! spooled at about 3-4k
7psi ok fun but 10psi hella fun :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by phwoaaa
why stop there... hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
Cos the stock engine's at its limit.
Needs a proper rebuild to run more than 10PSI
^^ lol
not a rebuild... needs internals to push it properly.
ha but hes right 10 psi on the Y8 was fun ;)
good thread everyone
ill be posting my build of my d16y8 with gt28r soon :D
its finally happening
20psi baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
lol.
ABOUT TIME LUKE! farrrrrk cant believe how patient you are man! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lukecivic
dude when am i gonna see this beast?Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
another set back :( i got new seals for the injectors and they gave me new filter buckets aswell so i tried taking the old filters out and it didnt go to well. Now ive got to take them somwhere to get the old butchered filters out and put my new ones in. I should of just left them how they were damn it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [ricer]
I did however get the ecu conversion harness on the weekend.
hey ive been wondering how does the stock driveline handle with all the extra power from a boosted D or B series engine. I mean the gearbox and CVs etc...has anyone had any problems with that and had to upgrade anything?
I blow a CV boot the second time I got my car Dynoed lol but that's just a bit of rubber and she must have already been on the way out..Quote:
Originally Posted by lukecivic
I have not heard of any problems with the D boxes... Well I have but not to common anyway
> hey ive been wondering how does the stock driveline handle with all the extra power from a boosted D or B series engine.
As long as you learn to preload the driveline before launching, 300Hp is fine.
By preload I mean NOT dumping the clutch, it's the shock that'll kill your axles.
Nick.