sr20de ... amongst other questions

[rpm boy]

i think im going to change my user name to owned . but all i was trying to say was that having owned both of the cars the civic was the better all round combination, speed and handling although it dosnt have as much torque it still was the faster of the 2, if someone would like to explain it so i dont get owned please do so

[V73C]

mate, theres always pro's and cons to both sides of story.
do go blabbing on unless u know for sure.

u sure u didnt own a GA16 pulsar and mistaked it with ur SSS stickers ?

[dsp26]

i think im going to change my user name to owned . but all i was trying to say was that having owned both of the cars the civic was the better all round combination, speed and handling although it dosnt have as much torque it still was the faster of the 2, if someone would like to explain it so i dont get owned please do so

we know what your getting at so it's all good.

but let me put it in better terms...

if an eg has a b18c7 producing 98wkw and another eg with a b16a has 98wkw (everything else the same, gb, weight, driver, etc...) the b18 will always win.. why? torque... what others are trying to say is HP don't mean anything...

but when you say "faster of the 2", it's very subjective unless you see it on a timeslip...

another example assuming equal, weight, driver, etc...
sr20 w/ 90wkw versus b16a with peaky 95wkw.... still could go either way... depends how either was launched.

personally if you put it in ypur terms, the eg civic is a better package for the price since sss are overpriced like corollas/civics.... i on the other hand had an nx coupe which was cheaper than those cars combined and had plenty moolah left to fix the poor things with sussy/engine mods etc...

The most even playing field in terms of power/torque/weight and powerband is sss/teg gsi

u sure u didnt own a GA16 pulsar and mistaked it with ur SSS stickers ?

lol you'd know... gaY16 is the worst of the 1.6l lot... not even a performance engine.... exels own them....

[matchuk]

think this thread heading wrong direction what i wanted to know is why the sr20de is such a good motor and can compete with b16a's when the difference is like 20 something kws... and 1.6 is alot nicer on fuel effeciency...

also having drive a 4th gen vtir lude daily the lower end lack of torque isnt a problem for racing ... like the gearbox is so well tuned if u shift at 8-8.2 u land just at start of vtec or powerband...

so u rarely need the bottom end torque

[02gzm]

Getting back to the original post i think it's more the fact that people tend to put pulsars and civics in the same category due to their similarities in size and shape (hatch/sedan). And when people think of the better models in the range they think SSS and VTi-R (in the aust market anyway).

Once we have gotten this far we start to get to the heart of the cars which brings us back to the SR20 vs B16 debate.

I consider both to be great engines and they can both be built up very well, which includes strapping a snail to them.

Another point that was brought up is why the SR20 isn't normally compared to the K20. I think this comes back to what i originally said about the size and shape points. Another reason why DC5R's and SSS's aren't normally compared is; an integra was made to be a sports car, so people would find it easier to compare it to say, the SR20 redtop jdm S15 that Applio mentioned as both were built to be sports cars.

Even though pulsars and civics have sports models and both are awesome cars, at heart they were never originally built to be a sports car.

I hope that makes sense. I'm kinda tired atm. You should get the gist of it though

[GSi_PSi]

a good match up would be integra gsi vs SSS...an i can honestly say ive beaten 2 n14 SSS and 1 N15 SSS...so in all honda n/a > nissan n/a

[Mingy]

the SR20DE is pretty good engine i rekon,

the JDM S15 non turbo verion came with SR20DE "red cover" verison which pump out 138kw AT fly wheel.

LOL you mean Autech Version? 6-Speed, 147kw @ 214N-m. Excellent NA engines IMO.

[SHW.70Y]

Do you want me to list them?

And I think SHW70Y will agree, even an NA SR20 in a SSS can be quick. a 14.3 on crappy street tyres is very respectable. In fact, I think it is the 2nd fastest NA FWD time by a non Honda. And that is with the standard unmodified ECU. No LSD, no gearing changes.

cheers darren
dont be hating the ole sr20de its a great motor imho , hasnt let me down and performs quiet well with the right mods

[autech]

im sure this has to be answered somewhere but i cant seem to find it but why do so many people consider n15 sss beating so many cars out there. The sr20de has only 107kw... might have a larger powerband and lower end torque but still shouldnt be as fast as people claim it is. The sss is great car for value and after market support but i just cant seem to find why the engine is so hyped about ...

also another thing wat is a fair price for a 2nd hand dc5r around 50-90k i am looking for one assuming i land this job im after

thanks in advance note im not starting a flame war, please dont turn this to a honda vs nissan or b series vs sr20de...

yeah sss are alrite. its the people that own em, talks it up like the person above me said so to.

no idea why they pick on a car that has less capacity than them, why dont they pick on a s2000 2ltr? or a dc5r?

ive seen a few sss talking it up that they beat b16a and 4age 20valve..
but when they take it to the drag strip..and when the clutch drops the bullshit stops.

if it was the sr16ve or the other vvt sr2XX engines.. they are machine.

My Autech Pulsar SR20DE Produces 185flywheel HP from factory.

On the dyno dead stock ive mae around 107wheelkw on average.

I recently bolted on a set of stainless headers and retained the factory 1.75inch exhaust and was easily able to pull away from DC2 Type R's through 3rd gear. Keep in mind i run a 4.4 final drive and have LSD from the factory as standard equipment.

I think you guys tend to hate the SR because of the noobs that come with it. Once a few guys start getting their act together here - and putting together a good well setup (well thought about) engine package will be giving us some really enjoyable close track battles.

Hell ive heard of Horror tuners getting shabby results - and they contintaully sit there and spin shit as to why the SR20DE doesnt make power. Its generally because they have no clue what their doing. Putting together a hot SR motor is easy if you get some brains behind it. 120-125wheel KW is an easily obtainable figure on the stock inlet manifold - but again noob tuners cant get results even with Quads etc.

[SHW.70Y]

My Autech Pulsar SR20DE Produces 185flywheel HP from factory.

On the dyno dead stock ive mae around 107wheelkw on average.

I recently bolted on a set of stainless headers and retained the factory 1.75inch exhaust and was easily able to pull away from DC2 Type R's through 3rd gear. Keep in mind i run a 4.4 final drive and have LSD from the factory as standard equipment.

I think you guys tend to hate the SR because of the noobs that come with it. Once a few guys start getting their act together here - and putting together a good well setup (well thought about) engine package will be giving us some really enjoyable close track battles.

Hell ive heard of Horror tuners getting shabby results - and they contintaully sit there and spin shit as to why the SR20DE doesnt make power. Its generally because they have no clue what their doing. Putting together a hot SR motor is easy if you get some brains behind it. 120-125wheel KW is an easily obtainable figure on the stock inlet manifold - but again noob tuners cant get results even with Quads etc.

i no who that was directed at , and in his defence all im gonna say is look at my car

[autech]

i no who that was directed at , and in his defence all im gonna say is look at my car

Well it actually wasnt at him - it was aimed at a rather large sydney tuner who proclaims to be an SR specialist.

The yanks have been doing what youve done for years - its no secret formula.

[SHW.70Y]

Well it actually wasnt at him - it was aimed at a rather large sydney tuner who proclaims to be an SR specialist.

The yanks have been doing what youve done for years - its no secret formula.

champ , if theres any problem i will pm u my number and we can discuss it over the phone dont back track on your words as they were pretty direct and specific