[Euro] Hondata Update

[ok2]

As the title says. My 2 cents is that maybe they are too much "engineers" wanting a complete and perfect set of products to release and not enough "businessmen" to sell what is ready to go. This assumes that the stage 1 and 2 (?) will not affected by changes required for the later versions. I would assume not but we don't know precisely how they have built it do we.

The real problem, as I see it, is that they are not providing enough feedback to potential customers so here we are all making guesses and getting frustrated or even worse going off to find something else instead. Theirs may be better but if you can't buy it then it just doesn't exist.

[stephen8512]

ive given up hope with JTUNED and hondata as far as im concerned
by the time it comes out, current owners of euros would either be selling their euros to move on to something else, or it will be too expensive, or the new euro will be out before the reflash is....

[Suntzu]

ive given up hope with JTUNED and hondata as far as im concerned
by the time it comes out, current owners of euros would either be selling their euros to move on to something else, or it will be too expensive, or the new euro will be out before the reflash is....

That is the problem alright. Im on the cusp of a new lease or I could release my current '05 model. Im running out of time waiting.

Also theres an issue with the "discount for early adopters" when its released. I would rather wait 5-6 weeks after release to get REAL world comments/results from Hondata customers to see how good it is. Then I would have to pay a premium for not jumping on the unknown performance release special bandwagon.
I would then elect to give it a miss is I could not get it at the same price.

My 2 cents

[TypeG]

ive given up hope with JTUNED and hondata as far as im concerned
by the time it comes out, current owners of euros would either be selling their euros to move on to something else, or it will be too expensive, or the new euro will be out before the reflash is....

bingo

[yfin]

Now I am back in Oz I had the opportunity to call James today about the reflash. He sounds like a top bloke and really enthusiastic about the release. Realistically we are looking at 4 weeks until the pre-order stage (with photos, clips and dyno charts avail) and then the actual hardware and bolt ons will be ready for fitment in about 8 weeks time. The software for the reflash is ready - the wait is mainly for the hardware to conduct the reflash.

James had some interesting things to say about the revised intake (uses a high quality K&N pod). From what I understand it is going to be in a similar position to the injen (behind the bumper and out of the engine bay) but rotated differently. Apparently there is a huge difference in power shown on the dyno by pointing the pod towards the bumper. The induction pipe will be 3 inches. They have conducted lots of testing and found this to be the best design. Sounds very good, however, I think I am sticking with my Icebox for now as I don't want the induction note of a pod style filter and I have just replaced the filter with ITG. James said it is ok if I stay with the Icebox but the output is not as good as the new design.

Not sure if this is subject to change but he said the separate pricing will be $1850 for the 4 muffler exhaust including the high flow cat (which can be purchased seperately for $450). Headers will be $1200 and the intake $450. Reflash will be $1000. There will be some opening specials for the group order (I think he said 10% discount but please don't hold me to that as it was a long conversation and lots to remember).

I asked James how much it will cost to reflash the car back to the "standard" flash (lets say you want to remove all the items and sell the car). It will be $150 Sounds alright to me. James confirmed that the standard flash can use 95 ron which is also what I wanted to hear.

On another positive note - there will be a few Honda dealers around the country that will be reselling the reflash and apparently honouring warranty in that respect (but only honoured at those dealers). That is one of the reasons why he wants everything perfect before release.

With the stage 4 flash James said there is a dramatic difference compared to stock. I can recall him saying it is much smoother and "power on demand". Very nice. James really recommends aftermarket headers (but not the DC style - I think he said too small primaries and stock headers are better!) and aftermarket exhaust to realise the full potential of the flash.

Please don't be upset if I have got a few of the details incorrect - I did my best to remember the main points. Obviously there is more detail to come. The call was enough to renew my excitement in this

[BiLL|z0r]

Sounds good. The bits are a bit more exy than I thought though. $1850 for an exhaust & $1200 for headers, OUCH! Thats $3K just for a full exhaust system. It better be damn good. The reflash price is what I expected though.
Since he'll be reselling to some dealers I understand why it's taken so long. Be nice to put a post up every once and while though to let everyone know. I know he's very busy so the Internet is prolly last on his cards.

I'm hangin out for the auto vs manual dyno's to see how far behind they fall.

[Chris_F]

thanks for the update yfin, I'm sure heaps of euro owners are excited to finally hear some details.

I think $1000 for the reflash is quite reasonable

you didn't get a chance to ask him about the standalone ecu he mentioned on his website?

[yfin]

Sounds good. The bits are a bit more exy than I thought though. $1850 for an exhaust & $1200 for headers, OUCH! Thats $3K just for a full exhaust system. It better be damn good. The reflash price is what I expected though.
Since he'll be reselling to some dealers I understand why it's taken so long. Be nice to put a post up every once and while though to let everyone know. I know he's very busy so the Internet is prolly last on his cards.

I'm hangin out for the auto vs manual dyno's to see how far behind they fall.

Pricing isn't too bad. Hopefully the discount is the 10% I mentioned (or hopefully more) for the pre-order. $1850 sounds a lot for the exhaust but that includes the high flow cat which costs $450. You also need to compare dual exhaust pricing - not single. I had a look on TSX parts to see a rough idea on dual stainless steel exhaust pricing and the Comptech Stainless is $1210 AUD (plus shipping to Oz) which has 1 less muffler. Add shipping, add the cat and the Jtune price doesn't look unreasonable. But of course there are cheaper dual exhausts out there too.

What I don't really understand is why the headers cost $1200 - but we need to remember there are JDM stainless steel headers available for over $2000 (eg Maxim Works).

thanks for the update yfin, I'm sure heaps of euro owners are excited to finally hear some details.

I think $1000 for the reflash is quite reasonable

you didn't get a chance to ask him about the standalone ecu he mentioned on his website?

Nah I didn't ask about the standalone ECU. Give him a call.

[Pumped]

Good to hear some genuine feedback, sounds positive, lets hope all goes well

[tony1234]

Good to hear some genuine feedback, sounds positive, lets hope all goes well

Yeah.hope there are no more delays.

[mr747]

sounds good cant wait for the dyno sheet

[adammet04]

ok well this sounds good,

waiting for the hardware to do the reflash is fairly important...

back on the analogy wagon its hard for the worker to build something if he dont have any tools

revives *still eagerly awaiting reflash* comment