boosted b16a

[WNARUN]

and also does anyone know wat size cooler fits onto a EG without cutting the radiator support?

[Waggy]

where do i start with the bottom end?
decomp?
bore?
shit theres heaps of things to do

The 12 second club is a very respected one, good luck in your endeavours.

There is heaps of information both on here and www.honda-tech.com.

Yes you will need to decomp if you intend to run high boost - this depends on what your goals are. Things you can do to start are forged pistons, forged conrods and rod bolts. This should support your 180kw atw goal.

If you intend to boost more in the future, you may want to look at a strengthened crank and sleeves. Bore is not really necessary as boost makes up for any lack of displacement you may have - but if you got the dosh, why not?

It depends on how hardcore you wanna go man. Bare in mind that any FI build on a Honda is gunna mean cash money. You got the engine, which includes what I listed above, plus depending on how much boost you wanna run, you will need uprated valve springs, retainers and valves. Cams will net you more power so those will need cam gears as well.

To do it properly you will need an intake manifold as well as a decent turbo manifold (equal length for best effect). Then you'll need injectors, Fuel Pressure Regulator, Fuel Pump, possibly a fuel rail, you'll also want to replace your water pump and buy a stronger timing belt and buy some head bolts too. Then you need an ECU and a tune.

When I worked out what my turbo build was going to cost me to do it my way, it was going to end up at around $19k. Obviously what I'm talking about is an all out build and it depends on how far you want to go. You can turbo a car for around $8k if you piece it all together yourself.

Just a heads up man, cos you seem a little bit green with Hondas (no offence, just an observation). Modding isn't cheap bro!

If you got any other question man I'll help where I can, I've done my research.

[pornstar]

if u dont mind running slicks, a 12 isnt too hard, we have a stock ek4 with 7psi of boost bolt on turbo kit running 12.7 and only springs modified

[Waggy]

^ Yeah slicks will most definately help

Nice time btw.

[DynoDave]

where do i start with the bottom end?
decomp?
bore?
shit theres heaps of things to do

The problem with the internet is there is too much information around and people waste money on there basic setups.With your power goals leave the engine alone and just work on the turbo setup a B16A will handle alot of power before you need to start replacing internals inc cams.There is a B16A powered Gen2 CRX here in sydney that is fitted with aftermarket rods and pistons and has now run 10.5@130+mph using STD head and cams fitted with good valve springs and retainers I think this really shows what can be done using your brain and not your wallet or the internet guru's.
Regards Dyno Dave

[Waggy]

The problem with the internet is there is too much information around and people waste money on there basic setups.With your power goals leave the engine alone and just work on the turbo setup a B16A will handle alot of power before you need to start replacing internals inc cams.There is a B16A powered Gen2 CRX here in sydney that is fitted with aftermarket rods and pistons and has now run 10.5@130+mph using STD head and cams fitted with good valve springs and retainers I think this really shows what can be done using your brain and not your wallet or the internet guru's.
Regards Dyno Dave

Obviously a dig at me, but hey everyone says you know your stuff so I'm not going to fight you. I actually got my information from American drag guys and by talking to Full-Race.

I was outlining an all out build - 400hp+. WNARUN, listen to Dyno Dave, he is apparently an awesome tuner and knows his stuff. Talk to him for more information.

[DynoDave]

Obviously a dig at me, but hey everyone says you know your stuff so I'm not going to fight you. I actually got my information from American drag guys and by talking to Full-Race.

I was outlining an all out build - 400hp+. WNARUN, listen to Dyno Dave, he is apparently an awesome tuner and knows his stuff. Talk to him for more information.

No I am not have a dig at you at all I know you did alot of research and thats great but the Yanks are full of themselfs and the internet makes it even worse so just be careful in the info you read and get.
Regards Dyno Dave

[Waggy]

Very true Dave, so what I said should be taken with a grain of salt really. Like I said WNARUN, Dave is your man. He's got a lot more hands on experience than most on.... the internet actually LOL.

[DynoDave]

Very true Dave, so what I said should be taken with a grain of salt really. Like I said WNARUN, Dave is your man. He's got a lot more hands on experience than most on.... the internet actually LOL.

No what you said is correct if you want an engine that will live forever at 30psi of boost and you have the money now to do it but at the level he is talking about you could do it for alot less with no problems at all using STD parts thats all keep up the research its good to see.
Regards Dyno Dave

[pornstar]

No I am not have a dig at you at all I know you did alot of research and thats great but the Yanks are full of themselfs and the internet makes it even worse so just be careful in the info you read and get.
Regards Dyno Dave

Agree with Dave, how many homos nowadays want stupid super duper equal length manifolds bolted to stupid sized gt40s that make power only above 5k rpm its unbelieveable

[Photonic_Si]

Yeah it all has to do with americans influience IMO. I remember the days when you used to just buy a bolt on AVO kit and be done with it. Easily enough power to pull 12 s. But these days everyone seems to be so eager to get on it and pull down what is already a decently engineered honda powerplant, to replace every part with a forged or modified item.

Sure there are parts out there that perform better that the stock honda ones but dont be wasting bucket loads of cash just because that ramhorn looks better than the ductile cast iron manifold for a quarter of the price, when there is really no need.

Keep the motor dead stock, add a bolt on kit, tune for anywhere up to 10 lbs, slicks, = 12's easy. Thats w a b16, and similar results can be had with D16 enignes as well.

[DLO01]

Photonic.

I have gone down the Avo route with my Crx see here:
http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...Crx/?start=all

And while yes they are very good kits with great results, but to keep the price down the individual components are a cheaper option, and will not let you expand if you build your motor further down the track.

The truth is that an individual can purchase thier 'own' turbo parts which are of much higher quality for a very simular price as complete Avo setup. With my new setup I am probably going to spend just a little over what I did with the Avo setup, but I will have an quality setup that is excellent for stock internals and will let me expand down in the future if I decide to.