EK owners plz read

[barefootbonzai]

Its very easy to learn when to shift, basing it on the engine note, ive been doing it for ages now. You just learn when its the right sound to shift. You dont even need to look at your speed..the only reason you do is to make sure u dont go over the speed limit.

i think they're referring too racing while you're referring to just day-to-day driving

what steve said.

[Muzz]

Obviously you don't race your car. Have you ever taken it down the 1/4 or done circuit racing? Even quick squirts at the lights? There is no way i could get the times i'm getting without a tacho/shiftlift light, there is a reason y in a lot of race cars there is only the tacho and no speedo, it's the most important part when it comes to racing. Especially down the 1/4 where every bit counts, there's no way you can just use the speedo, you won't be able to fully untilise your max rev range with out hitting the rev limiter, or shifting to early and slowing you down.

If you guys are taking about just driving daily like a bitch, that's another story.

Dude relax, wheres this attitude coming from all of a sudden? While no, i havnt done quarter mile runs. I run to redline on a daily basis, is not being down the quarter like you gunna be a dissadvantage reguarding what what were talking about?
Both my brother and father have been involved in motorsport, and i was taught to listen to the engine, and how practicing this will allow you to push to the limits without looking down in the heat of the battle. If you feel youd be hitting the limiter or shifting to early without watching your tacho, then your to reliant on it to begin with. Simple....

I spent about a month with a tacho in my car about half a year ago, having the tacho didnt get me any closer to redline than without, my ears were telling me the exact same thing the tacho was: the engines at its redline.

During that time, just before i removed it, i checked it against the speedo, and guess what, exactly as the manual states redline in 1st occours at 50km/h, redline at second occours exactly at 90km/h. Apart from the smaller sweep range, please inform me why the cars oem tacho is going to be less accurate than the cars speedo, im keen to learn .

Even with the tacho in, i barly used it, as i have already said, my ears know pretty much exactly when the engines at redline at the exact point id usually shift, i confirmed this also before i got rid of the tacho (seemed to get 10x more police attention with it) i drove without looking at it with my best mate watching it for me, and hey guess what, EVERY SHIFT I MADE WAS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY THERE ON REDLINE, hence why i got rid of it, watching it wasnt getting me any closer to the redline. The only thing it was doing for me was attracting cops.

There is no way i could get the times i'm getting without a tacho/shiftlift light

Gees what a pity, it must mean i cant too then hey......lol.

My best mate drives a slightly modded swift, we cruise together alot. I consistantly pull very slightly on him through 1st and second, he starts gaining back when i shift to third.

The period that i had a tacho didnt make me faster ONE LITTLE BIT AT ALL in the numerous time we ran together. Having a tacho was just confirming exactly what my hearing was telling me. Maby your ears arnt very fine tuned, ive been playing music my whole life and find using a tach was no more accurate for me.

If you going to reply, please dont forget to answer me this:
Apart from the smaller sweep range, please inform me why the cars oem tacho is going to be less accurate than the cars speedo, im keen to learn .

[Muzz]

If you guys are taking about just driving daily like a bitch, that's another story.

If your talking about racing, THATS another story......
Please point out to me where the OP mentiond tracking/racing his car.
Also i would really like you to point out where i mentioned that a tacho wouldnt be useful/neccissary in racing.

Ill repeat myself for your ignorance:

All im trying to say, is even though all these features are wonderful and make life a little easier, they really dont impact much at all on the driving experiance, so dont feel bad if you cant get em...

Notice the words "driving experiance", dont confuse that with "racing experiance".

Oh, and that comment you made "why do racing cars use a tacho and not a speedo" thats just down right silly.

As you say they obviously have no concern for road speed, so why would they install a speedometer to determine the redline, especially when a tach has a much larger sweep, and provides the info straight up?

If you havnt got the bitching session out of your system, bring it via PM, this is COMPLETY off topic...

[barefootbonzai]

FFS whatever man. Guess you wouldn't know cause you drive a piece of shit slow car, so you wouldn't understand. To answer your question about the speedo...

It's like looking at a RSM with Rev's displaying in numbers. Yes it's possible, but you'd have to concentrate on it just like the speedo cause it doesn't change visually that much. With a Rev meter you don't have to concentrate as much cause it moves/changes a lot and you can prepare for the shift with good timing. To further this, that's what a purpose of a shift light is for, even more visual so you don't have to concentrate as much.

And if you read my first post, i stated that a tacho was necessary to drive your car to it's full potential. Ask anyone that drives a quick car, without a tacho/shiftlight of some sort you wouldn't be able to drive your car to it's full potential.

[barefootbonzai]

Oh, and that comment you made "why do racing cars use a tacho and not a speedo" thats just down right silly.

As you say they obviously have no concern for road speed, so why would they install a speedometer to determine the redline, especially when a tach has a much larger sweep, and provides the info straight up?

If you havnt got the bitching session out of your system, bring it via PM, this is COMPLETY off topic...

lmao, when did i say that anyone would install a speedo to determine redline?

Obviously you couldn't see my point was that a Tacho is important, compared with the race car not having one. I guess with you behind the wheel you could just hear when to shift.

[dupac->]

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but yeah i rex shift light would help much more esp when ur fanging it, doesnt matter where 1/4 run/track/lights or even just coming out of KK livo.. would be more precise and accurate to help you prepare for the gear change..
comparing it to listening to the engine note. i dont have a shift light but while giving it a squirt i have a look on the corner of my eye.. at times when ur adrenalin is pumpin the engine note dont really come to play imo. shift light makes u react so there for would be better to get full potential outta the car.

if i missed something and get done for missing something i cbf reading the novel's you guys a writing *gives the finger* just incase.. lmao
my 2c

[dupac->]

by saying that i wouldnt buy a car without a stock tacho

where its a ek cxi to a ferrari.. the little luxuries get u the most out of the car's performance.

dont buy a cxi, go the gli.. little price difference worth paying for saves the headaches

[Muzz]

FFS whatever man. Guess you wouldn't know cause you drive a piece of shit slow car, so you wouldn't understand.

Settle down mate.
Thats my point... Its not a fast car, you looking at what im saying in completly the wrong way. Where not talking about a fast, heavily modded car, its a stock non vtec d series FFS. The revs climb slowly, as does the speed lol...

Your interpretting me completly wrong and getting all upset over it.
Im not saying that tachos are completly useless in every car.
Im not saying im never going to need a tacho
Im not saying it wouldnt be a massive benifit in racing.

Im saying with this car (thats what this threads about), its easy enough to get a good idea where the redline is from using the speedo. Its not to much of a dissadvantage, and your ears help in a big way.

Were not talking about your car, where not talking about a race car, where talking about a stock d16y4 civic. OBVIOUSLY its going to be a different story on the track or quarter mile, or on any fast car for that matter, im not disputing that one little bit, open your eyes and read what it is im saying.

ITS NOT TO MUCH OF A DISADVANTAGE IF YOU DONT GET A TACHO FROM THE FACTORY WITH THIS CAR.

[Muzz]

And if you read my first post, i stated that a tacho was necessary to drive your car to it's full potential. Ask anyone that drives a quick car, without a tacho/shiftlight of some sort you wouldn't be able to drive your car to it's full potential.

Were not talking about a quick car.

Obviously you couldn't see my point was that a Tacho is important, compared with the race car not having one. I guess with you behind the wheel you could just hear when to shift.

where not talking about a race car.

OPEN YOR EYES AND LOOK AT THE TOPIC

It's like looking at a RSM with Rev's displaying in numbers. Yes it's possible, but you'd have to concentrate on it just like the speedo cause it doesn't change visually that much. With a Rev meter you don't have to concentrate as much cause it moves/changes a lot and you can prepare for the shift with good timing.

Im aware that it is less accurate due to its smaller sweep range, ive stated this earlier on. With this car it really isnt that much of a disadvantage, the speed isnt climing fast enough for it to be.....

If you want to continue this complete pointlessness do it through PM.

[barefootbonzai]

This was my original statement.

There is no way you could drive a car to it's potential without a tacho or shift light of some sort. Looking at your speed will not be accurate enough for you to know when to shift.

Then th.is was your Question to me about me and my car. Everything i wrote after that was in response.

Are you telling me you cant drive your car, and shift pretty much right on the redline without looking down at your tacho???
.....

How about you open your eyes.

[Muzz]

Ok great, its sorted.
How about you answer and say "no, my cars alot more powerful than the car where talking about, the accuracy isnt enough".

Your initial responce, was extremly harsh, of my casual opinion on a cxi without a tacho.

Yeah, its got no tacho, but it didnt take long for me to realise how usless a tacho is on it. Your manual tells you what the maximum safe speeds are for each gear. It i was driving to redline id shift at 50 in 1st, 90 in second and 135 or so in 3rd, no difference in looking at a tacho, and looking at your speedo. These days i barly look down at it as you seem to learn when to shift by the engine note, somthing that i believe happens quicker without having a tacho.

You seem to be a kind of guy that really analyzes things to the extremes. But this statement of yours is just plan silly. There is no way you could drive a car to it's potential without a tacho or shift light of some sort. Looking at your speed will not be accurate enough for you to know when to shift.

Then engine note? come on...

Excuse me for getting pissed of.

[Muzz]

by saying that i wouldnt buy a car without a stock tacho

where its a ek cxi to a ferrari.. the little luxuries get u the most out of the car's performance.

dont buy a cxi, go the gli.. little price difference worth paying for saves the headaches

Yeah the disk brakes, electric windows, central locking, tacho etc really make it much nicer than a cxi, especially considering how little extra the gli costs