Civic Type R $39,990 + On Roads

[BlitZ]

how it get so heavy? the fn2 ist still light its just that the jdm type r is extremely light. Jdm type r got no stereo system not even a speaker. they did everything to keep the weight down while the Fn2 got 6 speakers, etc etc. the fn actually weights around 1270 as well but the gt model adds foglights etc

tare weights
dc2r is like 1040kg
ek4 is like 1100
ek9 even lighter

I have actually seen the actual weight being fairly close with cars having the std stero, speakers a/c p/s etc etc

[mpd076-chuck]

DC2R is 1087 tare, which is fairly accurate as I've had mine weighed a few times.

In defence of FN2, I still think it will be a great drive even if the philosophy is different to past R's. The lock is 2.3 turns and sounds like the sussy is nice and tight. It's just that this R comes with creature comforts, which as everybody says, should capture a larger market.

Personally I'd love a nasty stripped out light-weight bugger, but I think that's minority thinking.

[ginganggooly]

how it get so heavy? the fn2 ist still light its just that the jdm type r is extremely light. Jdm type r got no stereo system not even a speaker. they did everything to keep the weight down while the Fn2 got 6 speakers, etc etc. the fn actually weights around 1270 as well but the gt model adds foglights etc

The ctr specs don't excite me. It needs another 20kw. The power to weight ratio of the ctr isn't that much better than a manual euro std. I'm not usually one to race cars based on stats, but:
Euro - 140kw 223nm 1375kg
Civic - 148kw 193nm 1345kg

Fix up the final drive in the euro, get some good suspension in there and you've still got change when compared with the ctr.

[ginganggooly]

Personally I'd love a nasty stripped out light-weight bugger, but I think that's minority thinking.

Amen

[slipangle]

DC2R is 1087 tare, which is fairly accurate as I've had mine weighed a few times.

In defence of FN2, I still think it will be a great drive even if the philosophy is different to past R's. The lock is 2.3 turns and sounds like the sussy is nice and tight. It's just that this R comes with creature comforts, which as everybody says, should capture a larger market.

Personally I'd love a nasty stripped out light-weight bugger, but I think that's minority thinking.

re: Minority thinking - I say, don't be swayed by popular opinion. If your opinion is what you believe based on what you know, then that is your truth. Paris Hilton's pretty popular, but I still don't give two tosses whether she exists or not. Quite often catalysts for change arise from the opinions of the few.

Here's something else I know - there is a shroud that goes around the rear brake disc. Presumably this is to give the illusion that it doesn't look so small. Now, I don't doubt that the brakes are capable of handling repeated hard stops (and would be even better if it didn't have to haul up all that weight!), but why does Honda think that my ego is so fragile that it has to place meaningless style influenced items on a car purported to offer a race car derived experience?!. Do they think that we'd be blinkered by engine start buttons, metal painted fuel filler caps and fake rotor enlargers not to appreciate genuine engineering genius that we know Honda are capable of?.

Where is the ingenuinity? or do manufacturers nowadays expect us to just keep lapping up four wheeled tamagotchis and furbys just by adding a bit of marketing waffle?

I also don't doubt that the FN2 is a decent enough drive in absolute terms, but relative to what we know Honda is capable of, it still doesn't capture the sort of excitement and appreciation we come to expect of a Type R product. Honda's set the bar quite high in the past, is it unreasonable of us to keep asking them to be able to keep jumping over it? or are we happy just to say that that bar is no longer valid cos everyone just wants big boot space and window dressing?

[ginganggooly]

It looks to me, like a cynical attempt to leverage off the image of Honda's past Type-R successes with a half baked marketing exercise.

Fair enough, it'll probably sell, but this CTR is really going to bastardise the Type-R monicker.

[bennjamin]

would you all agree , in the same sense as the last Type R to grace our shores ? Just a half-cooked detuned model for the aussie market ?

[ginganggooly]

would you all agree , in the same sense as the last Type R to grace our shores ? Just a half-cooked detuned model for the aussie market ?

To a degree... At least the DC5R was light and had an LSD.

[krazibone]

Could it be heavier because street cars have to meet international safety requirements? Meaning a lot of air bags along with nifty gadgets is making the car abit more heavier then the previous type r's? Does the JDM version have all of those included? Sorry i didn't check the specs on the JDM version.

I'm sure it would be just as light he all those were removed.

[industrie]

i would think that all the airbags and luxury comforts is what the market demands, they do survey not only for there own customers but look at competitors and you have to match that competition...yes take out all the creature comforts and you can have the type R at 1200kg no worries

[ginganggooly]

i would think that all the airbags and luxury comforts is what the market demands, they do survey not only for there own customers but look at competitors and you have to match that competition...yes take out all the creature comforts and you can have the type R at 1200kg no worries

The thing is, if Honda wants to compete in a market segment that is crowded with 2.0l and larger capacity turbo motors, it needs to have a trump card. In the past, they overcame the power and torque defecits by reducing the vehicles' mass; now Honda seem to think a set of recaros and stiffer springs is the answer to their problems...
These days I can walk into Renault and by a car with 165kw, something like 300nm of torque and less mass to lug around (by the way, it has a five star euro ncap safety rating). So safety features aren't an excuse for being lardy.

I think Honda really dropped the ball with this car. It should cost 10k less and compete with the less desirable hatches- Colt, Polo etc...

[xtercii]

haha there are some intense love and hate about this car...