Civic Type R Ask the Experts forum

[Wazza]

As we used our email addresses to sign up to the forum, hopefully the experts will be able to email us the answers to the questions we asked which were not suitable for the forum....

[aaronng]

For those who want to read the entire log:

http://aaronng.ozhonda.com/temp/Hond...ia%20forum.txt

[aaronng]

Any torque steer induced by the LSD has never bothered me before. Even if it did, it'd be heavily offset by benefits in increased traction around a corner. Spinning the inside wheel does nothing for understeer.

There happens to be a LSD in the FD2, (JDM) EP3, DC5R, DC2R and EK9. The fact this one doesn't tells me it's a cost cutting measure as with the UK EP3.

Those are track cars. The UK CTR is a hot hatch. Not a track car. If you plan to bring an FN2 to the track, then yes, complain about the lack of an LSD. But if you were planning to bring the FN2 to the track, you'd just get worse times than your DC2R as the DC2R (and EK9, EP3, DC5R, FD2) was developed for the track unlike the FN2. Think about it, Honda Japan took the EP3 from UK previously. Why are they not taking the FN2 this time and instead chose to develop their own Type R? The FN2 was not track-orientated enough for their requirements.

[itr025]

Those are track cars. The UK CTR is a hot hatch. Not a track car. If you plan to bring an FN2 to the track, then yes, complain about the lack of an LSD. But if you were planning to bring the FN2 to the track, you'd just get worse times than your DC2R as the DC2R (and EK9, EP3, DC5R, FD2) was developed for the track unlike the FN2. Think about it, Honda Japan took the EP3 from UK previously. Why are they not taking the FN2 this time and instead chose to develop their own Type R? The FN2 was not track-orientated enough for their requirements.

Yeah and Type R stands for...? *sigh*.

Again we have another car which dilutes the Type R name which those excellent engineers at Honda JP built up.

[aaronng]

Yeah and Type R stands for...? *sigh*.

Again we have another car which dilutes the Type R name which those excellent engineers at Honda JP built up.

You have to remember when in the UK everyone moves, thinks and acts slower. So to them, revving above 4000rpm means RACING! You'd scare the ladies plodding along if you ever dared to go full throttle.

[BlitZ]

id love an Ep3, but i'd prefer a deposit on a house. hence i'll keep the DC2

same here... if it sat in the price range where it suppose to be and not over priced by importers id swap my liver for one.

it should be priced about 20k by relativity

[dc2itr]

same here... if it sat in the price range where it suppose to be and not over priced by importers id swap my liver for one.

it should be priced about 20k by relativity

I got my $20K ready hehe.....

FOr how hevy it is I'm surprised it hits 100km/h in as quick as it does. Went checked one out couple days ago and despite its softer positioning, still a damn nice car.....

bring back CW!!!!!!

[yourfather]

Bring back championship white

[Hullabaloo]

50. Wazza asks:
The JDM Type R Civic mentioned previously produces far superior power than the UKDM Type R and yet they both use the K20 block. Is the exclusion of the JDM engine in the UK and AUS Type R's purely a case of our poor quality fuel?
Peter McDowell answers:
Essentialy it's the same engine. The spec change is largely due to our reduced (in comparison to Japan) fuel RON spec. Our premium fuel as you probably know is 95. 98 is available here and there, but we must always work to 95. This requires a reduced compression ratio, and retuning the ECU. We all hope fuel will improve somtime in the future.


yet the golf gti recommends 98 RON

[Hullabaloo]

also interesting how they mention honda philosophy (i'm not saying the car should have a turbo or Mark's answer here is wrong):

104. Neo asks:
A couple of UK mags said the CTR is underpowered - why no turbo?
Mark Higgins answers:
It's not part of the type R philosophy.

yet a lot of people here would think real type r philosphy includes things like brembros, light(er) weight, thinner windscreen... <-- was that question asked? i couldn't see in in the transcript.

[aaronng]

50. Wazza asks:
The JDM Type R Civic mentioned previously produces far superior power than the UKDM Type R and yet they both use the K20 block. Is the exclusion of the JDM engine in the UK and AUS Type R's purely a case of our poor quality fuel?
Peter McDowell answers:
Essentialy it's the same engine. The spec change is largely due to our reduced (in comparison to Japan) fuel RON spec. Our premium fuel as you probably know is 95. 98 is available here and there, but we must always work to 95. This requires a reduced compression ratio, and retuning the ECU. We all hope fuel will improve somtime in the future.


yet the golf gti recommends 98 RON

I think it's Honda Australia's decision to make all their vehicles require at most 95 RON. Nothing is stopping them for going for 98, but I guess someone higher up disagrees with that.

[aaronng]

also interesting how they mention honda philosophy (i'm not saying the car should have a turbo or Mark's answer here is wrong):

104. Neo asks:
A couple of UK mags said the CTR is underpowered - why no turbo?
Mark Higgins answers:
It's not part of the type R philosophy.

yet a lot of people here would think real type r philosphy includes things like brembros, light(er) weight, thinner windscreen... <-- was that question asked? i could see in on the script.

In this case, the DC2R wouldn't be classified as a Type R since it never got Brembos.