Omg !!! Help !!!

[VtiKid]

sportivo's go for a bit more den 20gz 3 of my mates have em, and one of em has got 112kw with only cai, they are pretty comfortable and lift can be felt pretty good, but nothing beats the original vtec mate...
for ur budget its not worth gettin a loan for a sportivo u cud get sumfin way better then that for 24-26gz get urself a nice integra type r or sumfin n represent ... my 2c

[nvmee]

sportivo's go for a bit more den 20gz 3 of my mates have em, and one of em has got 112kw with only cai, they are pretty comfortable and lift can be felt pretty good, but nothing beats the original vtec mate...
for ur budget its not worth gettin a loan for a sportivo u cud get sumfin way better then that for 24-26gz get urself a nice integra type r or sumfin n represent ... my 2c

i was gona get a type r, but when i heard insurance in my area is gona be 3-4k a year i stayed away from it then

[T-onedc2]

also what the Handling difference between a Dc2 and a dc2r? since its the same body does it mean they are both pretty balanced?

Very different. VTi-R feels firmish but has a fair amount of body roll when pushed, but it still grips and turns very well while doing so.
Type R is quite firm and turns excellently and sits flat. Chassis wise they are identical in 98+ models.
Exact specs have been covered many times here.

A VTi-R can handle extremely close to Type R standards with the right setup.

[Yasakani]

sportivo's go for a bit more den 20gz 3 of my mates have em, and one of em has got 112kw with only cai

I thought the Corolla Sportivo's had 140something kW
Or are you talking about atfw?

[SHIFTY]

type r has alot more chassis bracing... a dc2 will never be the same as a dc2r...

it can be as good or maybe a lil bit better (then stock - but involves alot) but never the same.. i dc2r with handling enhancing modifications can make for a farkn good handling car!!!!

[VtiKid]

yeh sorry i thought i mentioned at the wheel 112kw at the wheel which is pretty quick in my opinion problem is bang for buck is poor i mean ive got a 8grand civic that probably has 85kw at the wheels wud u pay 18gz extra for 23kw? i wudnt lol... nah man i reckon get a vti-r teg or even civic i had the same problems with insurance once d companies hear vtec the premium n excess zooms up soo thats why i got a vti and doin it up quick enuf for me.... jst do wat ur heart desires imo ...

[yourfather]

Very different. VTi-R feels firmish but has a fair amount of body roll when pushed, but it still grips and turns very well while doing so.
Type R is quite firm and turns excellently and sits flat. Chassis wise they are identical in 98+ models.
Exact specs have been covered many times here.

A VTi-R can handle extremely close to Type R standards with the right setup.

Well, I dunno about you, but I'd say my VTi-R has better turning ability than most of the ITR's out there.

[dc2r]

If it was so easy to get a VTiR to handle as well as a Type-R, I'm sure Honda would be bankrupt by now... There are many factors as to why a Type-R handles the way it does, and its not just suspension.

Anyway, to the thread starter, Mazda's are reliable cars and would be up there with Toyota and Honda as the most reliable.

I would either get the Mazda 3, the EG or EK Civic, or maybe for your budget, have you considered a Honda Jazz? I mean you want a daily driver and not a sports car right? Or do you have to have that power just in case? If so, look at a Honda Integra VTiR... or even the EM1/EK Civic VTiR.

[nvmee]

i thought being the same chassy it would be the same, besides the minor engine and sussy setup. also its not power 'just in case' its more of there are some days or some moments you feel like taking a corner at fast speeds/ htting it at the lights.

so why do mazdas have such a bad rep. my mazda sucked :P unreliable as, but had nice amount of power under it, gives some of those hondas a scare lol

pretty much i want a type r in a family car if you guys understand what i mean. good handling + decent motor= sportivo corolla?

[Yasakani]

so why do mazdas have such a bad rep. my mazda sucked :P unreliable as, but had nice amount of power under it, gives some of those hondas a scare lol

I've never really heard anything bad about Mazda... besides the MX-6, which I think was quite a disaster when it came to reliability (both the engine and the 4WS), and your 626 shared the same engine.

[T-onedc2]

type r has alot more chassis bracing... a dc2 will never be the same as a dc2r...

it can be as good or maybe a lil bit better (then stock - but involves alot) but never the same.. i dc2r with handling enhancing modifications can make for a farkn good handling car!!!!

Chassis wise they are identical in 98+ models.
Exact specs have been covered many times here.
This only leaves thinner windscreen, boot brace & sound deadening.

[T-onedc2]

If it was so easy to get a VTiR to handle as well as a Type-R, I'm sure Honda would be bankrupt by now... There are many factors as to why a Type-R handles the way it does, and its not just suspension.

I think you're missing the point, Honda made a Type R to save us the trouble of trying to build our own, and they did it with a warranty.