5th Gear FD2R v FN2R

[ginganggooly]

Stating fact buddy..and i dont have to make myself feel better, I feel good about my car anyway regardless of what reviews say.

Come on mate, you've been justifying your purchase in almost every ctr thread. I can't help but feel you're suffering buyers remorse to some degree.

You reckon it's a great car, and all power to you. Personally i think it's a nugget...

[jenova]

Well, the RRP of the car is above cost. Cost price could be a few thousand dollars less. And Honda Australia is already pricing cars like the Euro up by $10,000 and DC5R by $22,000. That is ABOVE the RRP price. I'm sure shipping, tax and duties don't come up to 78% of a car's RRP price.

The government has to protect the local car manufacturers too.

[aaronng]

The government has to protect the local car manufacturers too.

Protection comes from the restriction on importing cars from other countries.

[EG5[KRT]]

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[drsilliez]

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yeah not working as well....but i found this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eml1sD5z3KQ
i think its the same clip

[JaCe]

Protection comes from the restriction on importing cars from other countries.

I think that protection was (implied to be) included in the markup amount over the 'cost to produce' (not the cost to Honda Australia).

[slipn]

If they do bring it in how can they possibly have two different type Rs for sale??

That review was great btw, been waiting for this comparisin for a while now. I still love the JDM version. Its what the type R badge is all about, Light weight and an all around drivers car And it looks like a Japanese car.

[aaronng]

I think that protection was (implied to be) included in the markup amount over the 'cost to produce' (not the cost to Honda Australia).

The markup goes into Honda Australia's pockets. Not the governments. The protection offered by the government is in the form of duties/import taxes and the fact that most car models are restricted from being imported.

[JaCe]

The markup goes into Honda Australia's pockets. Not the governments. The protection offered by the government is in the form of duties/import taxes and the fact that most car models are restricted from being imported.

I think my post made it sound like I was challenging you when really I was adding to your comment;
"I'm sure shipping, tax and duties don't come up to 78% of a car's RRP price. "

... and then saying that the significant price increase over the RRP in the domestic country is inclusive of the protection markup. That is, even though the price may seem very high compared to the RRP, it's not ALL going into Honda's pockets (well, it doesn't end up in Honda's pockets).

[aaronng]

Ahh, okok.

I'm just miffed that Honda Australia can bring in the FN2R at a price similar to UK's RRP, while still making a profit and paying off all the taxes and import duties but can't/won't do something similar with the FD2R. Ok, let's give Honda Australia a $10,000 additional profit for each FD2R when compared to the FN2R. I still don't think they will bring in a true JDM spec model at $39,000.

[JaCe]

Ahh, okok.

I'm just miffed that Honda Australia can bring in the FN2R at a price similar to UK's RRP, while still making a profit and paying off all the taxes and import duties but can't/won't do something similar with the FD2R. Ok, let's give Honda Australia a $10,000 additional profit for each FD2R when compared to the FN2R. I still don't think they will bring in a true JDM spec model at $39,000.

Your post is essentially saying 2 things;

1. How can the FN2R be so cheap? Simply put, have you considered that maybe the UK also did a bit of a markup themselves on the CTR to pitch it at a higher market? That being said, maybe it isn't that profitable for Honda AU but they just want to get the indirect benefits such as the marketing of "Look we did bring a Type R", or "Look we have the most outrageous looking hatch on the market" (I know it's subjective).

2. Why won't they bring the FD2R? Many reasons- will the market really want such a hard car? It'll be competing with the likes of Liberty GTs and Mazda6 MPS, as well as the American cars... all of which will offer more power (on a spec sheet) and a more comfortable ride. Then there's also the question of will it steal sales away from the FN2R? Is it wise to confuse the market with TWO Civic Type R's especially when they are both relatively new cars to Australia?

IMO the FN2R killed two birds with one stone- Honda's lack of a non-sedan sports car in the sub$50k category (after the Integra was taken out) and it also let them promote the Type R badge. Put it together and they also have exclusivity going for them with purists perceiving the Type R badge as being the epitome of Honda's engineering.

Note: The above comments are my own views and thoughts; and are not intentionally reflective of anyone else's.

[Chris_typer]

Your post is essentially saying 2 things;

1. How can the FN2R be so cheap? Simply put, have you considered that maybe the UK also did a bit of a markup themselves on the CTR to pitch it at a higher market? That being said, maybe it isn't that profitable for Honda AU but they just want to get the indirect benefits such as the marketing of "Look we did bring a Type R", or "Look we have the most outrageous looking hatch on the market" (I know it's subjective).

2. Why won't they bring the FD2R? Many reasons- will the market really want such a hard car? It'll be competing with the likes of Liberty GTs and Mazda6 MPS, as well as the American cars... all of which will offer more power (on a spec sheet) and a more comfortable ride. Then there's also the question of will it steal sales away from the FN2R? Is it wise to confuse the market with TWO Civic Type R's especially when they are both relatively new cars to Australia?

IMO the FN2R killed two birds with one stone- Honda's lack of a non-sedan sports car in the sub$50k category (after the Integra was taken out) and it also let them promote the Type R badge. Put it together and they also have exclusivity going for them with purists perceiving the Type R badge as being the epitome of Honda's engineering.

Note: The above comments are my own views and thoughts; and are not intentionally reflective of anyone else's.

Yeah pretty fair comment..probably agree with you there..although it was a shame to see them stop makin the integra, ah well.