[Euro] Hondata Update

[EUR003act]

Here's my speculative take on the dyno figures:

Fact: We know that a stock Euro makes 140kw at the crank.

The hub dyno (Dynapack) reads 125kw atw and a roller dyno like Dyno Dynamics reads around 105kw. The hub dyno reads around 19% higher in this instance.

Since the extreme package makes 158.3kw on the hub dyno, my guess is it'll make around 135kw on a roller dyno. Without ECU flashing, it'll be making around 125kw (148kw on the hub dyno) - which is pretty much the same as installing good aftermarket I/H/E parts.

As for the mild reflash + intake package, it should be making around 112kw atw on a roller dyno (132kw on the hub). The reflash itself will not improve peak power much - probably only around 2-3kw peak (roller) but it will boost power by as much as 8-9kw before VTEC, exactly where the power dip occurs for the stock Euro.

Note: These are just guess figures.

135!?!? im aiming for higher than that! and im not even gonna do jtune extreme package!

[Suntzu]

Those figures sound about right. But if you look at the torque increase even with Intake and Mild Flash its about 20nm over stock through most of the graph.

That's where the day to day driving improvements come in.

I was expecting 10-15 people on these forums to put their hand up for this , but there been basically no commitment, including myself. Its not surprising given thats theres no real world comments or results from those without vested interests.

Im teetering between doing the pre-order or wait it out and get the flash later, $100 isnt a lot to wait it out.

[akina]

lol, so true!

People have been waiting for SO LONG even before I joined this forum! And now when it IS OUT, none seems to have the confidence of these products. Everyone is like laying back and hoping someone will be the white mouse to test these products first :s

[yfin]

dont get hung up on comparing dyno numbers as it is not going to be accurate. It is much more accurate to compare before and after figures on the same dyno.

You don't need to drive the extreme pack to know it is going to be a noticeable improvement. What other n/a Euro has achieved over 160kph at the end of 400m? i cant think of any. Given that the car had traction and wheel hop problems getting off the line it must have been pulling hard once it had traction to achieve 163kph. And that was the heavier luxury model!

[Merlin086]

lol, so true!

People have been waiting for SO LONG even before I joined this forum! And now when it IS OUT, none seems to have the confidence of these products. Everyone is like laying back and hoping someone will be the white mouse to test these products first :s

Correction, I have committed to being "a white mouse"

"I get my adrenalin rush from risktaking"..........lol

[Suntzu]

Clocks ticking...what is it? pre-order closing on the 15th??

Final rollcall..whos in?

[ENVSSS]

I'm in, extreme package...why not

[tony1234]

Im basing it on the reference stock flash on the same dyno so comparative differences should be the same.

Tony, there is a Pre-order price on the mild flash see http://www.jtune.com.au/order.php so it needs to be ordered before Oct 15.

You're right.i mustn't have been reading it properly.

[Merlin086]

You're right.i mustn't have been reading it properly.

I'm confused too..............

This page says the 12th.....?

http://www.jtune.com.au/order.html

[tony1234]

I'm confused too..............

This page says the 12th.....?

http://www.jtune.com.au/order.html

Just checked,it IS the 12th.For some reason i thought it was the 14th.!!!I think i'll sit this one out and wait and see.I'm not having my credit card being charged now and then having to wait up to 10 weeks for the gear to arrive.what about the reflash,the ECU has got to be taken out of your car,sent to Melb.reflashed,sent back,installed and dynoed.Nah,it all sounds too hard for me.Maybe those of us in Sydney if we get some numbers then possibly James will come up here and reflash us all in 1 day?

[Pumped]

Im In,
Not actually sure whether to decide on just the Mild Flash or replace all my current gear and go for the Extreme Package!
Would love more information regarding the Mild Flash, doesnt seem to be alot available for it!

Is the vtec changeover point for the Mild flash the same as the Extreme Package?

Would love to see more results on using the Mild flash with different brand I/H/E

Is the information available for the TSX Hondata reflash able to be used as an idea of how the mild flash will be?

[BiLL|z0r]

Im In,
Is the vtec changeover point for the Mild flash the same as the Extreme Package?

VTEC cross over for mild is 5000rpm