Suspension suggestions?

[zack]

Ok, so i did a bit of a search but i'd like to hear some of your thoughts... I've had my super low King springs on my EG for almost a year now and i'm ready to buy some new suspension.

To be honest, i'm liking the price of the Tein SS but obviously the Flex are a better product. What are the Cons of the SS? I've never tracked my car but maybe i will on the odd occasion. I'd say 99% of my driving will still be on street though.

Will the SS do the job?

Thanks for any help!

[zack]

Forgot to ask, how low will these go on an eg? Lower than the super lows at the moment?

[Kiz_EG6]

Buying a new suspension setup is basically a toss up between comfort and handling...
If it is a daily driver, my personal opinion is that i would not put coilovers on it.
I know a lot of people will disagree with me on this, but coilovers seem to just be the new big thing, as the prices have dropped substantially over the past few years.
It is very possible to get a very good handling package, while maintaining some amount of comfort for the occupants of your car.

I would probably go for a progressive rate spring set, something like whiteline does, then some koni yellow shocks, as the damper on these is still reasonably easily adjustable if you do decide to do some track work.
I would also upgrade swaybars and install front/rear camber kits if you want to go to the next level, and of course strut braces front and rear also for rigidity!

If you hunt around you will find that buying all these items, you will still come out with more change than you would buying any decent coilovers!

I put a whiteline kit including most of these items in my EG and purchase price came out well under 2k with some haggling

[T-onedc2]

I agree with Kiz on this, too many people say get coilovers, but I guess they only ever had Kings springs on cheap shocks.
I have ITR stock suspension with Spoon progressive springs coming soon, and currently the setup has been unbeatable for quality on 99% of roads.

[90xsi]

like everyone has mentioned above
set out a target and a budget
personally you cant beat koni's for comfort,
teins are a cheaper alternative you can look into if you want coilovers

[Jonald]

I recently bought Koni yellows and eibach pro. I've got the koni's on stiffest setting atm only because of my rim size and believe me, its stiff But when i had it on the middle setting, it was real smooth, if not smoother then my stock ride.

[JohnL]

I recently bought Koni yellows and eibach pro. I've got the koni's on stiffest setting atm only because of my rim size and believe me, its stiff But when i had it on the middle setting, it was real smooth, if not smoother then my stock ride.

Could you explain (please) why the rim size has an influence on the settings your choosing to use on your dampers? I have Yellows on my Accord at the stiffest setting because it assists in sharpening up steering response, and it certainly is quite stiff! Though that said I think the front dampers could be somewhat stiffer in the bump setting, pity only the rebound is adjustable.

Don't get me wrong, I think the yellows are a great damper, best quality available (probably along with Bilstein). If I had the spare cash I'd have adjustable bump valves install in the front pair, or at least have them revalved a bit stiffer. Then they'd be even better!

[EK1.6LCIV]

Kiz is on the money, Koni Yellow's are more than perfect for handling of most street cars. My set-up consists of the Koni yellow struts with the matched koni springs for my EJ8. Since having them installed I've only added the Spoon front and rear top strut braces to stiffen it up a bit, still a comfortable ride that handles very well.

[teh_mechanic]

Could you explain (please) why the rim size has an influence on the settings your choosing to use on your dampers?

Hes running 18" gestalt wheels on an eg civic sedan,so its set super stiff to reduce tyre scrubbing on the inner wheel arch round corners etc.

[JohnL]

Hes running 18" gestalt wheels on an eg civic sedan,so its set super stiff to reduce tyre scrubbing on the inner wheel arch round corners etc.

I can see that a stiffer damper setting may reduce how often such scrubbing occurs by slowing the rate at which the body rolls, but it won't stop it from happening altgether. The damper doesn't control the ultimate amount of body roll, it can only control the rate at which it happens, so in shorter / sharper manouvres with increased damper rate there may be some benefit in this respect because there is insufficient time for a lot of roll to occur, but if you're in a long corner and going a bit hard (e.g. on a big roundabout or similar looong corner) then the scrub is still likely to occur even with a stiff damper setting, just not as soon. For this arch scrubbing problem a stiffer damper is a band aid at best.

The only way to ensure it never happens is to move something, like the metal where the scrub is occurring, or change the position of the wheel via camber adjustment, rim width / offset change / narrower tyre etc (not a good reason to change these things, unless you intended doing so already for handling / grip reasons). Second best bet to stop the arch scrubbing would be stiffer springs and / or ARBs which may prevent body roll enough so it doesn't occur in practice even if theoretically it still could. This said, if your springs and / or ARBs are already at the rates you want, then stiffening them up just to avoid arch scrubbing isn't great either. You could try longer bump stops, but again not a good solution, and possibly a very bad one!

[SeverAMV]

Could you explain (please) why the rim size has an influence on the settings your choosing to use on your dampers?

ill probably appear noobish by saying this, but normally bigger wheels means lower profile tyres, which means less air required for same tyre pressure and more responses from bumps on the road, so in that regard it could affect damper choices, altho not by much. i went from 13s with high profile grippy tyres to 15s with low profile grippy tyres and the response difference when you go over a bump is more noticeable, with the 13s and the bigger tyres being more floatier, and the 15s being more responsive and slightly annoying on bumps.

[Jonald]

teh_mechanic hit it on the head. I have the koni's on stiffest setting because of the scrub issue. I had it on sports setting(which i believe is middle turn) and with just me in the car, no scrub... Once i had a passenger it was burrrrr. Put it on stiffest, i can get 4 ppl in the car before it starts to burrr.

The only other time it will start scrubbing as you said is it really uneven roads and while turning hard. But the koni's have definately helped my scrubbing issue