How Many Type Rs Sold this Month?

**m0nty ITR** · 08-03-2008 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by fasthonda

I think they planned for an about 100 per month.If the sales figures from July to end of December '07 are accurate then sales have been on target.
I would most likely expect Jan and Feb '08 to be weaker months for CTR sales.

New vehicle sales for Jan-Feb were up 11% on Nov-Dec. Volkswagen, Honda and Mazda had record periods.

100 per month is very, VERY weak. That's less than 1 per dealership. As a VW dealer we sell 5-7 GTIs per month.

**Double R** · 08-03-2008 05:01 PM

And you wonder why Honda won't bring the FD2R into Australia.

Time's changed. Aussies want the total package, just look at Golf GTI.

**moons** · 08-03-2008 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by m0nty ITR

100 per month is very, VERY weak. That's less than 1 per dealership.

Yeah. My understanding is that Honda Australia have been allocated 1200-1300 Type Rs per year, which fits.

When I first looked into buying a Type R last year, dealers had one or two cars in stock - usually sold - and was often told that if I wanted one, I would have to wait till next months stock arrives. And that's what got me thinking: Six months later - ie: now - every dealer in Melbourne has at least three cars in stock.

While I look forward to the VFACTS data, I think its academic.

Out of interest, on Melbourne roads, I've seen a total of four Civic Type Rs since they were released. And maybe only a handful of older Type Rs.

I have found Type Rs to be pretty rare animals out in the wild - and I like that fine.

**m0nty ITR** · 08-03-2008 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by moons

Yeah. My understanding is that Honda Australia have been allocated 1200-1300 Type Rs per year, which fits.

When I first looked into buying a Type R last year, dealers had one or two cars in stock - usually sold - and was often told that if I wanted one, I would have to wait till next months stock arrives. And that's what got me thinking: Six months later - ie: now - every dealer in Melbourne has at least three cars in stock.

While I look forward to the VFACTS data, I think its academic.

Out of interest, on Melbourne roads, I've seen a total of four Civic Type Rs since they were released. And maybe only a handful of older Type Rs.

I have found Type Rs to be pretty rare animals out in the wild - and I like that fine.

So if this is the case we can assume that some dealers go 3 months without selling FN2Rs??? Hornsby Honda have 3 in the showroom. The limited allocation spin is the oldest trick in the book. It is used to retain gross and make excuses if sales are low.

**moons** · 08-03-2008 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by m0nty ITR

The limited allocation spin is the oldest trick in the book. It is used to retain gross and make excuses if sales are low.

Oh I don't doubt it for a second - It's the physical quantity on show that has changed, though.

**fasthonda** · 08-03-2008 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by m0nty ITR

New vehicle sales for Jan-Feb were up 11% on Nov-Dec. Volkswagen, Honda and Mazda had record periods.

100 per month is very, VERY weak. That's less than 1 per dealership. As a VW dealer we sell 5-7 GTIs per month.

NOW I know where you're coming from!I had my suspicions about you early on.A VW dealer well,well!.I was wondering why you would always put a negative spin on things concerning Honda,especially with CTRs.
It's good that you can sell a reasonable number of GTIs(and Golfs) because I don't believe VW really sells much else compared to the superior overall Honda sales in Australia

**Double R** · 08-03-2008 07:01 PM

[QUOTE=fasthonda;1573774]A VW dealer well,well!.I was wondering why you would always put a negative spin on things concerning Honda,especially with CTRs.QUOTE]

I agree. I sense a lot of negative when CTR is on the topic. Shame on you Volkswagen.

**m0nty ITR** · 08-03-2008 07:21 PM

[QUOTE=Double R;1573841]

Originally Posted by fasthonda

A VW dealer well,well!.I was wondering why you would always put a negative spin on things concerning Honda,especially with CTRs.QUOTE]

I agree. I sense a lot of negative when CTR is on the topic. Shame on you Volkswagen.

Shame on Volkswagen? It's one guy. And I'm a Honda owner. Here's some VFACTS from February for all the non believers.

Month Year to Date Variance +/- % 2008 2007 2008 2007 MTH YTD

Small < $40K Volume Share Volume Share Volume Share Volume Share

Honda Civic 527 7.9% 567 9.2% 1,222 9.1% 1,156 9.2% -7.1% 5.7%

Volkswagen Golf 534 8.0% 321 5.2% 955 7.1% 663 5.3% 66.4% 44.0%

Subaru Impreza 450 6.8% 329 5.3% 875 6.5% 627 5.0% 36.8% 39.6%

Mitsubishi Lancer 449 6.8% 509 8.2% 907 6.8% 919 7.3% -11.8% -1.3%

Mazda3 907 13.7% 984 15.9% 1,844 13.8% 2,070 16.5% -7.8% -10.9%

Holden Astra 369 5.6% 563 9.1% 811 6.0% 1,306 10.4% -34.5% -37.9%

Toyota Corolla 1,655 24.9% 1,520 24.6% 3,232 24.1% 2,866 22.9% 8.9% 12.8%

That includes GTI and CTR. I'm putting a negative spin on the FN2R only. I'm entitled to think it's an overweight torqueless ugly duckling. I'm not the only one that thinks that way. Best Cars awards had the GTi winning "Best Sports Car Under $60k" 2 years in a row, only being beaten in 2007 by the R32. You can argue it till you're blue in the face. The FN2 CTR is a mere shadow of what it could've been.

I'm glad that you like it, but just like I bash the FN2R, you continue to belt out the FN2 > all others anthem.

**moons** · 08-03-2008 07:40 PM

[QUOTE=m0nty ITR;1573855]

Originally Posted by Double R

That includes GTI and CTR. I'm putting a negative spin on the FN2R only.

Any chance of a breakdown of GTI vs CTR as that would make interesting reading! I've seen more Golf GTIs than any other Hot Hatch around town - Hell, I've even got one in the driveway. LOL.

It's my GFs car - before anyone starts!