Mugen Sport Suspension

[akina]

this isn't worth its price. u buy this coz only its 'Mugen'.
its only a shocks and springs combo with nothing adjustable, u only lower 1 inch and the probably best thing from these is u get to keep stock ride quality and no squeaks.
with the price ill probably go buddyclub N+.

teinflex are coilovers and really designed for street/track.
mugen is just....... bleh

[Euro08Jaz]

Where did my original revival post go? lol i was quoting aarong and asking why flex would be better than mugen, where mugen was specifically designed for euro, and was it possibly due to stiffer spring or dampener rates. is there such thing as a suspension that can be stiff when i want to track it and soft for the ride home?

[BusterSonic12]

Where did my original revival post go? lol i was quoting aarong and asking why flex would be better than mugen, where mugen was specifically designed for euro, and was it possibly due to stiffer spring or dampener rates. is there such thing as a suspension that can be stiff when i want to track it and soft for the ride home?

Tein suspension have different spring rates, n damper setting for different cars. So if you want to install it on a Euro, then u have to get a set which is design for it.

Changing the damper setting can soften/ stiffen your car. and yes. the Flex have that option, so does the one Super Street n many others.

[Crapdaz]

why is teinflex better than mugen? isnt mugen designed for euro? where as flex is somewhat generic? softer spring and dampener rates?

mugen is designed for honda's originally, but for comfort sport.

difference between them:
mugen sports suspension

• lowering limit (Front & Rear 25mm drop) (<--- correct me about this one can't read jap)
• spring rate (Front 5.4kgf/mm; Rear 3.4kgf/mm)
• Spring rate are softer than Tein flex as you can see.

tein flex

• lowering range compared to the mugen sports sus is alot larger
• spring rate (Front 14kgf/mm; Rear 8kgf/mm) - stiffer spring rate.
• Damper adjustment and additional EDFC (electronic dampening force controller) can be used to be a lazy ass.
• Discontinued item, superseded by Tein monoflex (new mono tube design)

Details from tein usa, cause jap site didnt have it.
Spring Rate Front lbs/in (kg/mm): 783 (14)
Rear lbs/in (kg/mm): 448 (8)


Ride Height Front inch (mm): -2 (-51)
Rear inch (mm): -1.6 (-41)


Ride Height Adjust Range Front Max/Min inch (mm) : 0.2/-4.2 (5/-107)
Rear Max/Min inch (mm): -0.3/-2.9 (-8/-74)

Hope this helps and if you guys find anything wrong correct me.

Cheers,
Darren

[aaronng]

why is teinflex better than mugen? isnt mugen designed for euro? where as flex is somewhat generic? softer spring and dampener rates?

For performance on the track, Flex is better because it is stiffer than the Mugen, which is more for "sporty" street driving. The Tein Flex you buy is designed for the CL7 and CL9, so they are designed for the Euro.

My opinion is that if you want comfort, get the Mugen. If you want handling performance, get the Flex or Spoon equivalent. The downside is that it will be too bumpy on the street.

[aaronng]

is there such thing as a suspension that can be stiff when i want to track it and soft for the ride home?

You can only adjust the damper. You cannot adjust the spring rate unless you take off the spring and replace it with a softer one. Damper adjustment alone isn't going to make the difference night and day. Maybe only night and evening.

[Crapdaz]

For performance on the track, Flex is better because it is stiffer than the Mugen, which is more for "sporty" street driving. The Tein Flex you buy is designed for the CL7 and CL9, so they are designed for the Euro.

My opinion is that if you want comfort, get the Mugen. If you want handling performance, get the Flex or Spoon equivalent. The downside is that it will be too bumpy on the street.

in conjunction to aaron's comment on downside being bumpy, it also contributes to increase of noise in the cabin.

and if you're planning on not adjusting height etc and you prefer comfort you might go with bilstein/eibach spring combo which would be good in comfort + performance more expensive but pay for what you get.

[Euro08Jaz]

how about adjusting spring preload? a option which i think is available with the buddyclub suspension. would that improve ride quality?

[aaronng]

how about adjusting spring preload? a option which i think is available with the buddyclub suspension. would that improve ride quality?

No it won't. You're probably make it more bumpy with too much preload. My opinion is that the lower spring perch should be set to how it is as recommended by the factory and height is adjusted solely using the lower mount. This way the damper does not undergo accelerated wear like how it does when you operate the damper below the recommended travel range.

[aaronng]

in conjunction to aaron's comment on downside being bumpy, it also contributes to increase of noise in the cabin.

and if you're planning on not adjusting height etc and you prefer comfort you might go with bilstein/eibach spring combo which would be good in comfort + performance more expensive but pay for what you get.

And in my case, contributes to the roof falling partially coming loose because the clips popped out from the vibrations. hahahaha

Yeah, the most comfortable with good handling has been the bilstein/eibach combo. The disadvantage is that you don't get height adjustment and the price is about the same or more than Tein SS.

[Euro08Jaz]

whats the point of preload? does anyone have experience with H&R suspension?
apparently they maintain a good balance between comfort and handling.

[Crapdaz]

whats the point of preload? does anyone have experience with H&R suspension?
apparently they maintain a good balance between comfort and handling.

people said too soft and if you lower the height pretty close to the tyre surface people get scrubbing.

imho rather pay extra money for the bilstein + eibach combo than H&R cause they are more firmer.