My Disappointment

[bennjamin]

no the hondata stuff was because someone posted a hacked version of the HONDATA code on pgmfi.org and they sued the owner of the forum..

Remember they are in the USA and they have a much more litigious society.

It wasnt edited or removed by the mods of that forum , look what issues it caused. "We" dont want any harm legally to any members of this forum. Not hard to compute why this site is edited to a degree. Yet again ,, if you dont agree to the terms and conditions simply dont sign up.

[LXRY]

(LXRY) ihave no idea what you are on about mate. This is a forum that is moderated by people to the best of their ability. It isnt perfect and "we" try our best.
What are you getting at ? Too much censorship ? You are sounding like beeza on a good day
Why do you kick up a stink - when your own thread was closed down after a fair bit of discussion ?

Yeah too much censorship....

look "you da man" in my books ok, at least you fair and keep an open mind

[bennjamin]

Just a thought , as interesting as this thread is for discussion , what is the final point you (yourfather) are getting at ? What do you want to see changed or ?

[bennjamin]

Yeah too much censorship....

look "you da man" in my books ok, at least you fair and keep an open mind

you are right tho , on occasion there is a reminder in the Mods forum to "relax" and keep threads open for further discussion. I will highlight the mod that closed to keep cool and let things go on for longer for more thought

[LXRY]

Why do you kick up a stink - when your own thread was closed down after a fair bit of discussion ?

Which thread are you refering too ? so no confusion....

[bennjamin]

Which thread are you refering too ? so no confusion....

Your initial thread of "why no polls larger than 10" that Qball closed. This set you off i believe.

[yourfather]

It wasnt edited or removed by the mods of that forum , look what issues it caused. "We" dont want any harm legally to any members of this forum. Not hard to compute why this site is edited to a degree. Yet again ,, if you dont agree to the terms and conditions simply dont sign up.

dont act so hardline man, it wasnt edited or removed by the mods and the request to remove it was ignored by the owner.

Just like how you block torrent links and mp3 downloads because of copyright.

Just a thought , as interesting as this thread is for discussion , what is the final point you (yourfather) are getting at ? What do you want to see changed or ?

What I wanted to see was a little bit of a re-evaluation of the way that things are done here, to try and make us think of what the reality of the place is, what can be done better and what specifically are we doing regarding stifling debate and information that we could do better,

It wasnt meant to be a shit stirring exercise, but - I know for example that there could be more that you do to stop users from ripping off others.

I think we should try and at least have some form of critique or explanation of businesses etc.

There is a difference between fact and libel

[sassy_fit_vtit]

I can't speak for the other mods but imo we delete certain negative comments to protect the member, yes is it an online forum but never the less you can still be done for defamation.

Most often the not threads in the technical sections are either closed because the original answer has been answered, continuing the discussion will only make it harder for other members to search and source information when they look for it. OR they are close because its gettin off-topic and a warning is generally given and spam deleted before it is closed.

At the end of the day there are Terms and Conditions for the usage of this forum, when you sign up and sign on you agree to abiding to the Terms and Conditions.

.... 2. If you do not wish to be bound by the Terms and Conditions, you may not access or use the Ozhonda site....

... 5. Members who submit posts are solely responsible for their own posts, and agree not to include any content that:

(a) is unconnected to the topic of the thread;

(b) is unlawful, defamatory, libellous, threatening, abusive, offensive, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, dangerous, knowingly false, harassing, sexually oriented, racist, or invasive of an individual's privacy...

...(f) disclose details about another member such as name, address, phone number, email address, vehicle registration (or any other personal information) without their prior consent;...

.. 6. It is the sole responsibility of each Member to ensure the lawfulness of every post...

... 10. # You hereby agree to indemnify, defend and hold the Administrators, Moderators, operators, owners, and their agents (the "Ozhonda Parties") harmless from and against any and all claims, liability, injury, damage, losses, fines, impost, costs and expenses (including legal fees) incurred by any Ozhonda Party in connection with:

(a) your use of this site;

(b) any use or alleged use of your account;

(c) the content, accuracy or quality of material that you submit to the site;

(d) your interaction with any member including purchases from Ozhonda traders;

(e) your actions contrary to the Terms and Conditions; or

(f) your actions contrary to the rights of any other person or entity....

some terms and conditions reminder for those asking why Mods edit/delete defamatory comments

[Q_ball]

Nope you are wrong my friend, it's full control by the ozhondahive, the ozhonda hive calling the shots not us

Let me remind you that this is a privately owned forum, and even though we are open to suggestions, we are not obligated to surrender to all requests... in ur case, a poll that features 10+ options.

Theres really no point to that thread i closed, u asked if it were possible, we said yes, however it wasnt warranted.
Aside from Bludger's "agreeance" on the matter, you're the only person to debate this.
LIke i said in the other thread, 1 out of however many thousand members we have is not going to cause a mass change to how this forum is run.

[bennjamin]

We are open to suggestions Luke ~ i know for a fact tho , that under all circumstances "we" will simply edit or remove any reference to any business or individual , until proven in a court of law. I see the bigger issue here tho , as this is a Trader that supports ozhonda in a way or form ......apart from bad trade feedback , pm'ing Wyn about it , what more can we do ?

[Q_ball]

It wasnt meant to be a shit stirring exercise, but - I know for example that there could be more that you do to stop users from ripping off others.

I cant be fcked getting involved with that Hondata shit, so ill leave Ben or the other mods to deal with that...

Re: the selling and the members being ripped off, its really a simple concept.
Like every other site out there that allows people to sell publicly, the site does not intervene with the sale at all.
Its 100% the buyer's responsibility to do the appropriate research prior to buying.
The more we (as mods and admin of this site) try to prevent "frauds" and "rip offs", the more work it is for us, and to be quite frank, this is NOT our job.
Controlling the FS forum, and ensuring that all sales are legitimate would be a full time job.
So, due to this time restriction, and restriction of manpower, we choose not to intervene.

[yourfather]

I can't speak for the other mods but imo we delete certain negative comments to protect the member, yes is it an online forum but never the less you can still be done for defamation.

Most often the not threads in the technical sections are either closed because the original answer has been answered, continuing the discussion will only make it harder for other members to search and source information when they look for it. OR they are close because its gettin off-topic and a warning is generally given and spam deleted before it is closed.

At the end of the day there are Terms and Conditions for the usage of this forum, when you sign up and sign on you agree to abiding to the Terms and Conditions.



some terms and conditions reminder for those asking why Mods edit/delete defamatory comments

Hi, look i wrote a longer reply but with the reboot, it got deleted.

I find it highly patronising that you are referring me to the terms and conditions, considering the level of what I believe is good natured debate between everyone in this thread.

Im not going to tell you what i do for a living, but it involves drafting documents and trying to think of solutions to complicated problems, and I know you do the best you can with what time you have, but I dont think you understand what I am driving at here.

Im suggesting that after 5 years of being on the net, why do we do the things we do, and howcome some things fly and some dont.
Quentin, I see your side of the story, and I know that its your hobby too, but I cant stand people getting ripped off or screwed over.

Maybe im just a naive believer in social justice, but Id rather you guys did your best to not accept the reality that is the big bad internet and create a place more conducive to fun and good times.

That being said, yeah it is important that I re-evaluate my behaviour also and I'll try to be a bit more easy to deal with.

Now, to put myself out on a limb, I recall a story of a guy with a black subaru that was ripping off people, like a tumbleweed he'd roll around from forum to forum hocking his fake shit. Some of the mods knew about him and his activities.

The point is, we should be more selective of what shit we can and dont let fly in here. I think we do a good job of getting rid of things like copyrighted MP3s, torrents, unsolicited advertising etc, but I think theres a lot more we could do about making this place better.

For example (and there are so many issues that i dont know where it would start and where it would end)...

For Sale threads and feedbacks... Maybe if you are getting neg repped with feedback, there should be some form of Q&A and get both sides of the story - it might also be a waste of time too but I would rather have people spoken to and warned against anti social behaviour because its the best for the community.... e.g I have 19 postive feedback points but that doesnt mean that the 20th sale I do is going to go smoothly either.

I think the biggest thing that shits me off is the whole you cant say anything bad about anyone because its going to hurt peoples feelings. Unfortunately its a big bad world out there, and the only way to insulate ourselves from this world is to build a community (and we do have a pretty good one) that doesnt tolerate shit behaviour - but it will give people a second chance.