What are u guys lowered on?

[SHU-ES1]

i know! any suggestions for decent brands of ES coilovers? and an estimated price range? and if possible, where in melbourne i can get them done? thanks!

[buzz]

actually ive consulted a professional sports racing guy which only worked on racing car suspension and said that its most of the time better to chop your original springs cause of the compression rate of the spring will still stay the same which is better for the car and the ride comfort would be the same as you got it... yes the shock is lower and doesnt have far to travel cause your car is lower but yer youd get the same thing with a change of springs

i love the coils... pedders are nice and the make of the coil is great, with damper adjustable, height adjustable and it just looks really well made. I got it all done for $2000.

[rk 86 wa]

chopping springs is retarded and who every said chopping springs is good, has no idea what he is talking about,

if you chop a spring you completely f*ck up hookes law, which is what models characteristics of springs.

F= -kx where:

f = force exerted
k = spting constant
x = displacement of spring

if you chop the spring, your x value changes dramatically and for what your car is designed for (ie stock spring length) everything is put out of wack

also if you chop a spring, you are exposing the metal surface (with no forum of corrosion resistance) and can later on you can have rusty springs which i assume you can imagine will lose all structural integrity and be more likely to f*ck up

if you chop springs and use your stock shocks then you now have shocks which will not work with the chopped springs due to changes in spring length vs shock stroke etc, so that wont be very good either

just spend the extra money and buy proper springs rather than hack up your oem springs because:

1: you can reuse oem springs later to return car to stock height if selling
2: if you chop springs, you are the same as every single vl sump drifter out there
3: spring wont even sit in spring perch evenly. if you chop a spring then you are now resting the spring on a point rather than the sides and could do damage to the spring perch
4:

rah rah rah rah

could go on forever

DONT CHOP SPRINGS! >.<

[fitvpower]

chopping springs is retarded and who every said chopping springs is good, has no idea what he is talking about,

if you chop a spring you completely f*ck up hookes law, which is what models characteristics of springs.

F= -kx where:

f = force exerted
k = spting constant
x = displacement of spring

if you chop the spring, your x value changes dramatically and for what your car is designed for (ie stock spring length) everything is put out of wack

also if you chop a spring, you are exposing the metal surface (with no forum of corrosion resistance) and can later on you can have rusty springs which i assume you can imagine will lose all structural integrity and be more likely to f*ck up

if you chop springs and use your stock shocks then you now have shocks which will not work with the chopped springs due to changes in spring length vs shock stroke etc, so that wont be very good either

just spend the extra money and buy proper springs rather than hack up your oem springs because:

1: you can reuse oem springs later to return car to stock height if selling
2: if you chop springs, you are the same as every single vl sump drifter out there
3: spring wont even sit in spring perch evenly. if you chop a spring then you are now resting the spring on a point rather than the sides and could do damage to the spring perch
4:

rah rah rah rah

could go on forever

DONT CHOP SPRINGS! >.<

don't take this the rong way, but your a tru nerd lol. The one who puts his knowledge into practice.

[SHU-ES1]

thanks for the info rk. i didn't realise how much damage could be done by doing something so simple, and i didn't know much - and still don't know much - about suspension. thanks again, ill look into getting a decent set of coilovers. i've seen really cheap ones on ebay for say ~$50, but i'm just going to assume those would snap if too much pressure was placed on them hence the super cheap price, in comparison to some other brands which range from $800-1400 in price. ill head down to my local pedders outlet and see what those folks got to say. they'd probably say the same thing you just posted. thanks again!

[buzz]

i have to agree with you that ill definitely buy new springs for my car, im still sus about the chopping of springs as well as i can put them back when i sell the car.

but i have to disagree with what rk says "if you chop the spring, your x value changes dramatically and for what your car is designed for (ie stock spring length) everything is put out of wack" the only thing that changes is the length of the coil... not the compression rate of the actual spring. Most springs for lowering basically do the same thing as chopping your springs, just that you can buy a variaty of springs which can vary your compression rate.

ive talked to a few suspension experts about this and they all agree on this.

but again rk i would rather buy clean new springs

good chatting

[rk 86 wa]

that isnt entirely true, compression rate is also dependant on the number of active coils in a spring and if you chop a spring you are effectively removing n number of coils and causing a change :P

btw what springs are you looking at?

[buzz]

no more springs bro... coils...

well ive had pedder springs to start off with on my first car... then went to kings then went to kmac (which is crap) then went to einbach which is awesome i love... then to kings which i do like and is cheap... and now on pedder coils which are awesome and love.

but its cool...

[ekdez]

can anyone be bothered to list out some decent lowered springs for fd's, as well as where we could get some from. im sure most people are wondering about this.

[jeromerae]

just a list i quickly kame up with:

king springs
teins
lovells
kmac
pedders
einbach
skunk2 maybe?

welcome to correct me or add to list

[HWIROL]

SHU-ES1 there is a place in Moorrabbin called Advantage Suspension, they will prob be able to help you out with what you are after, these guys know their sh*t....call them on 95552633


i got my car lowered 3.5" all round still drives well except speed humps are a b!tch!

[dmx]

DONT CHOP SPRINGS! >.<

compression rate is also dependant on the number of active coils in a spring and if you chop a spring you are effectively removing n number of coils and causing a change :P

chopping the spring will reduce the flexibility of spring.
and esp. for Honda civic (tried ED -EG and EK), always cause negative chamber, why ? don't know. and can't be fix.
so assume ES and FD will be the same effect.