4WD Civic conversion

[nd55]

> 4wd EK9 would be #%$!

4wd's are d16 based. The rear viscous coupling does nothing for performance.

Just like a CR-V or HR-V.

I don't think the EK-9's crown can be toppled too easily.

Emanuera> This tells me that the EK5/8 Trailing Arm numbers you provided, could quite possibly be used on the EG

I have a strong suspiscion that 4wd Eg/Ek's used a different rear subframe to create clearance for the diff.
So it might not be as simple as bolting the 4wd arms on.

I have some rear suspension pics of a Honda 4wd Civic Wagon, for interest's sake.
How do I post happy snaps on here?

Nick.

[nd55]

RE: Wagovan rear suspension..

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/showg...=10969&cat=500

[emanuera]

Hey all

The part numbers nd55 gave us are for the EG & EK Civic saloon models with 4wd and ABS brakes. [IMG][/IMG]



The part number of rear trailing arms for cars without ABS is
LH = 52370-SR7-980
RH= 52371-SR7-980

The illustration in the parts listing is the same for both types, (the ABS type shown)

I do not know what the difference is between the two, possibly bolt holes for bracketry to attach ABS pipes etc.

The rear trailing arms for 4WD are the same for both EG models and EK models.

[nd55]

emanuera, good work.

perhaps another small piece of the puzzle, but a step forward.

Anybody got the corresponding part numbers from an equivalent era CRV?
They look VERY similar.

Anybody want to guess what parts 1 & 2 do?

> saloon models
he, he.

Just like my hatch is a sport oriented two door, with the capacity to carry the weekly groceries.

Gotta luv advertising copy.


It's still just a a Civic.


Nick.

[nd55]

Just to answer my own question

1998 CR-V rear trailing arm
52370-S10-A02

1998 fwd civic rear trailing arm
52370-S04-A00


As usual more questions than answers.

Does anybody know if the CR-V rear lower control arm is the same as the DC2R rear lower arm?
I think the EG/DC rear lower arms are shorter than EK arms (1/16" rings a bell).

Nick.

[dahon]

yeh how does the subframe look for a 4wd civic compared to the normal one?

[schizo]

In europe the wagons with 4WD have different arms compared to the arms in the last picture ( numbers 8-9 ). The wagons here are with solid arms ( 8 and 9 from the pic ).

YO Emanuera - please tell them in the www.hondacivicwagons.com forum to authorize my user, they are discriminating my nationality ro what LOLx10

I will send you pics soon...

P.S.
I cannot find those two parts in any catalog :
LH = 52370-SR7-980
RH= 52371-SR7-980
Are you sure about the numbers?

[trism]

What about using crv running gear to use a b series

[~Sp33~]

> 4wd EK9 would be #%$!

4wd's are d16 based. The rear viscous coupling does nothing for performance.

Just like a CR-V or HR-V.

The CRV uses a clutch actuated realtime 4wd system, as apposed to the center viscous coupler unit in older D series 4wd's, which is much quicker to respond to slippage. In most cases it doesn't 'wait' for the front's to slip before the rear is fed power.

If you've been driving hard, the Viscous coupler can become close to solid sending the majority of the power to the rear wheels (if they're more tractable).

Think of it as a lockup device. The hotter it is, the larger the percentage of power is sent to the rear wheels. Remember too that it isn't just cold until the front wheels loose traction and require extra traction, but usually it's hot from regular frictional forces accumulated while driving, meaning theres already a percentage lockup having occurred.

Speaking from experience, dropping the clutch in wet conditions with reasonable RPM doesn't make the front wheels spin. Unlike in my friend's (albeit) automatic CRV.

Sorry about the spiel, but i believe that the older system is beneficial to performance applications.

[Paul1985]

In europe the wagons with 4WD have different arms compared to the arms in the last picture ( numbers 8-9 ). The wagons here are with solid arms ( 8 and 9 from the pic ).

YO Emanuera - please tell them in the www.hondacivicwagons.com forum to authorize my user, they are discriminating my nationality ro what LOLx10

I will send you pics soon...

P.S.
I cannot find those two parts in any catalog :
LH = 52370-SR7-980
RH= 52371-SR7-980
Are you sure about the numbers?

Im guessing those numbers are AUDM, thats why you cant find them.

Very interesting info.
Id love to see updates as they happen.

[schizo]

OK
What I can say is that the arms from the 4th gen sedans 4wd and 4th gen Shuttles 4wd no matter ABS or not are the same as the one in the 5th gen 4doors 4WD Civic Ferio. So if your 6th gen arms are the same or similar to those in the 5th gen I think that you can do the thing that the Epic Tunning did to the 4th gen hatch,
using arms from Shuttle/Wagon 4WD or Sedan 4WD (4th and 5th gen)



P.S.
Can you find 4WD Shuttles there in Australia?

[nd55]

> I cannot find those two parts in any catalog :
> LH = 52370-SR7-980
> RH= 52371-SR7-980
> Are you sure about the numbers?

I posted at the very top......
"Honda Australia never sold the 4wd civic versions so they don't carry it on their books."

Emanuera was able to confirm through a NZ contact they are valid part #'s.

Having said that, no I've never seen them either.

trism> What about using crv running gear to use a b series

CR-V trailing arms are longer than civic RTA's.

This thread is about OEM trailing arms to bolt 4wd into 6th gen civics.

If you're handy with a tig welder and can fab stuff, then the world's your oyster....


> I think that you can do the thing that the Epic Tunning did to the 4th gen hatch

Again it means DIY welding and fabing. Not my area of experience.

> Can you find 4WD Shuttles there in Australia?

Yes. Not common, but they do exist. There's some pics of the 4wd shuttle rear sus. in my user gallery.


Nick.