Basic B20 build questions

[Benson]

Everyone has their different opinion when building motors. For a simple B20 build, why would you need to take the head to machine shop? If you know the history of the head and its in good working order then slap it on the bottom end. I have never had a problem when i do this. Our b16a has been through a few different heads, no need for machine shop.

delsol9000rpm, do you research mate before posting. These RS machine has been done here in Australia. There are a few motors floating around with these pistons in the b20 bottom end. They can easily make over 150kw with someone who knows how to build the head properly. Also with the right bolt-ons, like TRI-Y headers, tune and intake manifold combo these power goals can be achieve.

You dont need to spend big money on branded items especially when the market for honda products are so dear now due to the economical crisis. But if you are still think brand names are the best, use them and let us know the result.

All im sharing is my experiences with the RS machine pistons, as they are affortable and are good quality product for what they are.

In regards to the american dyno's, yes there dyno numbers are whack but if you know the correction percentage you can use something call the calculator and work out the australian figure. ET's talk, and the yanks do back up their 'wack' dyno's numbers with the 1/4 mile result. (Sign on @ honda-tech.com and check out the all motor section)

[delsol9000rpms]

sorry benson but i dont need to do any research because i know what im doin when putting a motor together but you wouldnt understand cause your a backyard wanna be mechanic lol... and i still haven't seen any of these b20s pushing over 150kw atw [easily] that your talking about other then the toda/mfactory civic. the RS pistons might do the job but everyone knows whats better.

[geeang]

sorry benson but i dont need to do any research because i know what im doin when putting a motor together but you wouldnt understand cause your a backyard wanna be mechanic lol... and i still haven't seen any of these b20s pushing over 150kw atw [easily] that your talking about other then the toda/mfactory civic. the RS pistons might do the job but everyone knows whats better.

Dude this thread is about BASIC B20 builds, making the affordable RS pistons the best suited pistons for this thread.
And I thought the toda/mfactory civic was just a B18 and not a B20.

[tinkerbell]

Dude this thread is about BASIC B20 builds, making the affordable RS pistons the best suited pistons for this thread.

not even that,

the PHK's are best suited for a "basic" B20VTEC build...

And I thought the toda/mfactory civic was just a B18 and not a B20.

exactly.

that is a "fully built" 2.0L block - not a B20B frankenstein...

[fatboyz39]

Dude this thread is about BASIC B20 builds, making the affordable RS pistons the best suited pistons for this thread.
And I thought the toda/mfactory civic was just a B18 and not a B20.

Well no one can afford such motor like Mfactory/toda. My guess of a exact setup would cost in the teens.

RS machine pistons would be my choice for a street/daily driven motor setup.

[tinkerbell]

Everyone has their different opinion when building motors. For a simple B20 build, why would you need to take the head to machine shop?

just for 100%ness in my opinion... (plus maybe to raise the CR!)

but if you actually know the full history and the head is true and straight, then the GE kit (or similar) is OK...

[delsol9000rpms]

And I thought the toda/mfactory civic was just a B18 and not a B20.

sorrry my badd i meant 2.0l.....

[Benson]

sorry benson but i dont need to do any research because i know what im doin when putting a motor together but you wouldnt understand cause your a backyard wanna be mechanic lol... and i still haven't seen any of these b20s pushing over 150kw atw [easily] that your talking about other then the toda/mfactory civic. the RS pistons might do the job but everyone knows whats better.

backyard wanabe mechanic? LOL i dont call myself a mechanic, i just do my research and put into good use. As you can see, the B16a in our EG is still running strong after 12 trips to the track. I wouldnt say we arnt knowledgable?

Roughly one year ago, Dave and the team built a B20vtec making 148kw. That was by no mean a serious set-up. A basic combo with 84mm RS machine pistons and a good head made that power. Im not going to disclose the entire combo because it cost money for that kind of information.

In regards to the Toda EG, that a fully built motor, sleeved with a capacity close to 2.0l (1.9l). I believe its running big cams, vtec killer cams? A average person couldnt afford such a motor.

Of course there are always better products on the market. It all about marketing the product. Like both Spoon, Mugen and Toda products there all over marketted product with a huge price tag over them. If you look around, there are products out there on the same level of performace for a fraction of the cost.

Im always open to using different products. Remember its the combo of parts which make power. Not always using the same brand can achieve this.

[replenished.soul]

replenished.soul, you using RS machine pistons on a B20 setup?

hey naa im not using rs psiton just normal pistons happy with normal pistons for the moment its powerful enough for me on streets as it is

[replenished.soul]

Im quite happy with my current "basic" setup.... If I was gonna do cams though, I wouldnt bother enlarging the valve reliefs. I would just install new high comp pistons and rings while I'm at it.

basic setup is heaps fun to drive aye zeforce heaps of torque as it is

[replenished.soul]

backyard wanabe mechanic? LOL i dont call myself a mechanic, i just do my research and put into good use. As you can see, the B16a in our EG is still running strong after 12 trips to the track. I wouldnt say we arnt knowledgable?

Roughly one year ago, Dave and the team built a B20vtec making 148kw. That was by no mean a serious set-up. A basic combo with 84mm RS machine pistons and a good head made that power. Im not going to disclose the entire combo because it cost money for that kind of information.

In regards to the Toda EG, that a fully built motor, sleeved with a capacity close to 2.0l (1.9l). I believe its running big cams, vtec killer cams? A average person couldnt afford such a motor.

Of course there are always better products on the market. It all about marketing the product. Like both Spoon, Mugen and Toda products there all over marketted product with a huge price tag over them. If you look around, there are products out there on the same level of performace for a fraction of the cost.

Im always open to using different products. Remember its the combo of parts which make power. Not always using the same brand can achieve this.

hey i rekon ur pretty good backyard mechanic for a uni boy haha makes scense benny you reckon i can make over 132kw and hit the 140+ considering my setup has all oem parts in it with just one lilltle upgrade?

[delsol9000rpms]

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backyard wanabe mechanic? LOL i dont call myself a mechanic, i just do my research and put into good use. As you can see, the B16a in our EG is still running strong after 12 trips to the track. I wouldnt say we arnt knowledgable?so who put together the motor?im glad its still in good shape good on you

Roughly one year ago, Dave and the team built a B20vtec making 148kw. That was by no mean a serious set-up. A basic combo with 84mm RS machine pistons and a good head made that power. Im not going to disclose the entire combo because it cost money for that kind of information.got a dyno sheet available sounds interesting

In regards to the Toda EG, that a fully built motor, sleeved with a capacity close to 2.0l (1.9l). I believe its running big cams, vtec killer cams? A average person couldnt afford such a motor. when your talking motorsport its not neccessary to talk about $$$ coz at the end of the day if your passionate its never gonna be cheap...

Of course there are always better products on the market. It all about marketing the product. Like both Spoon, Mugen and Toda products there all over marketted product with a huge price tag over them. If you look around, there are products out there on the same level of performace for a fraction of the cost. usually the cheaper parts u talk about are exactly that... CHEAP! some products do work well for their prices but surely yu have to agree they cannot be compared with the higher class products

Im always open to using different products. Remember its the combo of parts which make power. Not always using the same brand can achieve thisusually the same brands work well together like u said its all about the combination of parts