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    Red face built and semi built?? and some help please

    Hi guys, i have seen the terms built and semi built engines could anyone give me a quick def on them?
    Also as per my old thread i have bought myself a b16a (EG6) engine and going on worst case want to run 20psi on this engine with no problems, can anyone throw there 2 cents in on what has to be done to the engine? And will the gearbox and lsd handle it?
    Recommendation on stand alone ECU? haltech E8??
    any help please. thanks guys

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    All you need is rods and pistons to handle 20psi.

    Stock gearbox and lsd will handle it fine.

    Find your tuner before ECU.

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    20psi on a TO4Z or a GT28RS?

    OH wait never mind, it's all the same right?
    Econo Box pimping ain't easy.

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    Why so much boost?

    These motors can make big power with only 15psi once built and then there's the problem of getting the power down to the ground.

    If you really want big power maybe you should look at getting a B18 or B20 bottom end for displacement from more toque

    Just buy this one pre-built
    http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106254

    Quote Originally Posted by nigs View Post
    20psi on a TO4Z or a GT28RS?

    OH wait never mind, it's all the same right?
    NOPE
    Last edited by Lukezen27; 26-03-2009 at 08:19 PM.
    161.4KW ATW Tuned By TODA
    EG5 JDM B16A SiR-II TURBO

    13.28@106.6mph 2.117 60ft On RE001

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    i dont like how the term "built" and all its derivations "fully built, semi built" get thrown around

    but generally, when someone is talking about a "fully built" motor it means rods, pistons and generally the cams/valves/valve springs etc have all been changed

    if its only "semi built" it might mean only the head has aftermarket parts or all it has is rods and pistons
    to see all of my build, checkout


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    Quote Originally Posted by SLOWEGG View Post
    All you need is rods and pistons to handle 20psi.

    Stock gearbox and lsd will handle it fine.

    Find your tuner before ECU.
    all good and well getting rods and pistons,
    how long will your stock honda sleeves last on 20psi though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superR View Post
    all good and well getting rods and pistons,
    how long will your stock honda sleeves last on 20psi though?
    A long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukezen27 View Post
    Why so much boost?

    These motors can make big power with only 15psi once built and then there's the problem of getting the power down to the ground.

    If you really want big power maybe you should look at getting a B18 or B20 bottom end for displacement from more toque

    Just buy this one pre-built
    http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106254



    NOPE
    well i want 350whp and i m guessing i can make that with no more then 20psi and if it is less then that just means my engine will be able to handle it for alot longer. upgrading to a b18 or b20 is not an option. i was lookin at running a SPA cast iron manifold with a Garrett T3/T4E 57 trim compressor and they gave me an option of .48, .63 and .82 turbine A/R, and thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLOWEGG View Post
    All you need is rods and pistons to handle 20psi.

    Stock gearbox and lsd will handle it fine.

    Find your tuner before ECU.
    i found a place that tunes haltech ecus but dont specialist in hondas does this matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punisha00 View Post
    well i want 350whp and i m guessing i can make that with no more then 20psi and if it is less then that just means my engine will be able to handle it for alot longer. upgrading to a b18 or b20 is not an option. i was lookin at running a SPA cast iron manifold with a Garrett T3/T4E 57 trim compressor and they gave me an option of .48, .63 and .82 turbine A/R, and thoughts?
    Big turbo but I guess your after big numbers..

    I'd say a Garrett GT30 or GT32 with ether a .82 or .86 rear

    Not sure the cast iron manifold is going to cut it... it may be able to handle 20psi but the added heat your adding to push that amount of boost through a badly flowing cast iron manifold is a motor killer right there..

    So upgrade with forged components and it!

    Hondata S300 or higher
    Con Rods
    Pistons
    Race Bearing
    Sleeve the block (might as well whole the motors apart) bullet proof that sucker..
    Hight flow oil pump
    Oil pan baffle
    Oil Cooler
    Bigger Better radiator

    The list goes on lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Punisha00 View Post
    i found a place that tunes haltech ecus but dont specialist in hondas does this matter?
    Yes that matters big time mate

    Turbo Honda's are very sensitive to tuning!
    You don't want any non Honda guys touching your motor..

    Theses motors are not big low com engine that are forgiving to tune and can handle a bad tune here and there!!
    Last edited by Lukezen27; 28-03-2009 at 06:41 PM.
    161.4KW ATW Tuned By TODA
    EG5 JDM B16A SiR-II TURBO

    13.28@106.6mph 2.117 60ft On RE001

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    for that type of power speak to someone who knows honda motors.
    350hpatw is alot for a b16
    Evo IX - THE FINAL EVOLUTION

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punisha00 View Post
    Hi guys, i have seen the terms built and semi built engines could anyone give me a quick def on them?
    Also as per my old thread i have bought myself a b16a (EG6) engine and going on worst case want to run 20psi on this engine with no problems, can anyone throw there 2 cents in on what has to be done to the engine? And will the gearbox and lsd handle it?
    Recommendation on stand alone ECU? haltech E8??
    any help please. thanks guys
    F22B1 engine swap from accord lol

    I'm going to do a rebuild soon and parts i'm going to replace (and hopefully hit 300whp) are:

    Cylinder - stock sleeve
    Piston - Arias 8.2:1CR forged
    Conrod - H beam Bisimoto, ARP bolts
    Bearing - ACL race full engine bearing kit
    Port and Polish
    Dual Valve spring and titanium retainers
    6 puck act clutch
    12lbs 'LSD brand' flywheel
    Cams - may be turbo regrind
    Cam gear - Bisimoto adjustible cam gear (if i do work on the cams)
    Greddy or honda OEM timing belt
    OBX LSD

    I don't know yet but I'm planning to run AEM F/IC piggyback on my accord coz it's an OBD2 and i want to retain most of the vehicles features. (anyone heard or had any experience with aem fic i.e. their tuning capability etc please PM )

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