BTW thanks for all the help so far guys. Riviera to answer your questions - yes vtec is engaging, at 5500 according to apexi.

Ok so by basically everyones input - apexi vtec controller is useless. Why do people get them then? is it only for really worked engines? Also how does the vtec controller hinder performance.....?

Also, once i get it running off stock ecu, do plugs leads timing all small things etc, can i get it tuned somewhere locally to get it runnin optimally? will it make a difference?

ill check build date, numbers etc tomorrow and let you all know.

I appreciate all the help so far guys thanks heaps keep the input coming!